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#1: Sagip San Cristobal Forum Author: Arjhei37Location: Paete, Laguna, Philippines PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:55 am
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Ang Sagip San Cristobal po ay isang proyektong pagpapanatili at pagpapanauli sa obra ni Jose Dans na San Cristobal na pinangungunahan ng Parochial Historical and Cultural Heritage Commission ng Parokya ng Santiago Apostol (Paete, Laguna).

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For inquiries on how to help, you can email us at
sagipsancristobalpaete@gmail.com


Sino si San Cristobal?

Si San Cristobal ay isang santo na sinasabing naging martir noong panahon ng pag-uusig sa mga Kristiyano noong si Decius ang emperador ng Roma mula taong 249 hanggang 251 AD. Ang mga pinakasikat na kwento tungkol sa kanya ay natatala sa librong "The Golden Legend" na sinasabing naisulat noong taong 1260 AD.

Si San Cristobal ay pinanganak na si Reprobus. Matipuno at matangkad, ninais niyang mapaglingkuran ang pinakamakapangyarihan sa mundo. Sa kadahilanang ito, nagpunta siya sa isang haring Kristiyano at pinaglingkuran ito. Ngunit ang haring ito ay takot sa demonyo at siya'y nanginig matapos marinig ang pangalan ng demonyo. Nang makita ni San Cristobal ang reaksyon ng hari, umalis siya sa poder nito at hinanap ang demonyo.

Nang marating niya ang isang disyerto, nakasalubong niya ang isang pulutong ng mga kabalyero. Nang tanungin siya ng mga ito kung ano ang kanyang pakay, sinagot niya sa mga ito na hinahanap niya ang demonyo upang pagsilbihan. Ang isa sa mga kabalyerong ito ay malupit at sinabing siya ang demonyong hinahanap ni San Cristobal. Dahil dito, pinaglingkuran ni San Cristobal ang kabalyerong ito. Habang nasa paglalakbay, nakakita sila ng isang krus na siyang kinatakutan ng demonyo.

Nang tanungin siya ni San Cristobal kung bakit siya natatakot sa krus, sinagot siya nito at sinabing takot siya sa Kristong nakapako roon sa krus. Dahil rito, nilisan ni San Cristobal ang kabalyero (na nagsabing siya ang demonyong hinanahap ni San Cristobal) at hinahap ang Kristo. Sa paghahanap niyang ito, nakilala niya ang isang ermitanyo na nagturo sa kanya ng pananampalatayang Kristiyano.

Nang tanungin ni San Cristobal kung ano ang maari niyang gawin upang mapaglingkuran ang Kristo, sinabi ng ermitanyo sa kanya na kailangan niyang magayuno at magdasal. Nang sabihin ni San Cristobal sa ermitanyo na bigyan pa siya ng ibang maaring bukod sa mga ito, sinabi ng ermitanyo na may isang ilog na may malakas na agos na pumatay na sa maraming taong nagtangkang tumawid dito. Sinabihan siyang tulungang tumawid ang mga taong nagnanais makatawid sa ilog na yaon.

Tumalima si San Cristobal at ginawa ito. Isang gabi, may narinig siyang isang batang tumatawag sa kaniya. Daglian siyang lumabas ng bahay at hinanap ito ngunit wala siyang nakita. Matapos marinig ng makaikatlong beses ang pagtawag ng bata, nakita niya ito sa tabi ng ilog at humuhiling na dalhin siya papunta sa kabilang dako. Kinuha ni San Cristobal ang kanyang tungkod na gamit sa pagtawid sa ilog at binuhat ang bata. Nang buhat buhat niya ang bata, naramdaman niyang napakabigat ng bata. Napansin din niyang habang tinatawid nila ang ilog na lalong bumibigat ang bata at lumalakas ang agos ng ilog. Matapos makarating sa isang pampang, kinausap ni San Cristobal ang bata at sinabing muntik na siyang maging dahilan ng kanyang kapahamakan sanhi ng kanyang kabigatan. Sinagot siya ng bata at nagpakilala itong siya si Hesu-Kristo na kanyang hinahanap at inatasan isayang itarak ang kanyang tungkod sa labas ng kanyang bahay at kinabukasa'y magbubunga ito ng mga halaman at bulakak. Matapos magsalita, biglang nawala ang bata. Ginawa ni San Cristobal ang sinabi ng bata at kinabuksan, ang kanya ngang tungkod ay tinubuan ng mga halaman at bulaklak.

Nangaral siya at tumulong sa mga Kristiyanong nasa Lycia. Sinubukan siyang pasambahin ng hari ng lugar sa mga diyos-diyosang pagano ngunit hindi siya pumayag. Inakit din siya ng hari sa pamamagitan ng mga yaman at dalawang magagandang dalaga upang tuksuhin siya. Ang magagandang dilag ito ay kanyang dinala sa pananampalatayang Kristiyano katulad ng mga libong nayakag niya rin sa pananampalataya. Siya ay ipinapatay ng hari sa kanyang mga tauhan ngunit matapos ng ilang pagsubok na siya'y patayin, hindi pa rin ito naisakatuparan. Matapos makita ito, inutusan ng hari na itali si San Cristobal at panain siya ng mga tauhan ng hari ngunit ang mga panang ito ay lumutang lamang sa ere at hindi siya tinamaan. Kapagdaka'y ang isang pana ay bumalik at tumama sa hari at binulag siya nito. Matapos ito, sinabi ni San Cristobal na mamamatay siya at inatasan ang haring ihalo ang kanyang dugo sa putik at ipahid sa kanyang mata upang siya'y makakita muli.Pinapugutan niya si San Cristobal at ginawa ang sinabi nito at kapagdaka'y nakakita siya. Nanalig ang hari kay Kristo at nag atas na ang sinomang magakusa ng laban kay San Cristobal at sa Diyos ay mamamatay sa pamamagitan ng espada.

references:
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall.....hristopher

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T.....ite_note-1

#2: SAGIP SAN KRISTOBAL Author: joven cajipe PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:52 pm
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Magandang araw po,

ang san kristobal project po ay proyekto ng pag papanumbalik at pag-iilak ng pondo upang gamitin sa preservation at kung mamarapatin ay restoration ng higanteng pinta ng ating bansa.

ang sistema po ay ang pag hahanap ng mga taong bukas ang loob upang mag bahagi at mag bigay ng kanilang tulong pinansyal at mula dito ay tatapatan namin ng pasasalamat sa pamamagitan ng mga souvenir items tulad ng mga sumusunod:

1. Key chains
2. Tshirts
5. Post cards
6. mugs
7.tumbler
8. at Mini Replica na pinta ng san Kristobal.

ang mga nasabi pong souvenir ay may roong kalakip na authentication at acknowledgement certificate na ang inyong natanggap na souvenir ay may mas malalim na dahilan at hindi lamang basa souvenir kundi isang paraan ng pag sagip sa higanteng pinta na paman ng ating kasaysayan.

kasabay nito ay ang pag lalagay ng inyong mga pangalan sa mahalagang listahan ng mga taong naki-isa at tumulong sa pag sagip sa pintang ito na ilalagay sa bahagi ng pinta o sa simbahan na makikita ng mga susunod na henerasyon.

para po sa inyong tulong pinansyal ito po ay aming tatangapin at bibigyan kayo ng karampatang resibo.

at kayo ay aming iimbitahin sa gaganaping pagdalaw sa ating bayan ng paete kasabay ng launching program sa july 24 ng nasabing proyekto at pag bibigay ng mga nasabing souvenir items katapat ng inyong mga donasyon.

sa iba pang katanungan maari po kayong maki-ugnay sa mga KASPI NG PHCHC if you are in Paete Church and we will meet you at the Parish Office.

Pauna na po ang aming pasasalamat.

Bro. joven Cajipe

#3:  Author: Arjhei37Location: Paete, Laguna, Philippines PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:01 am
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Narito po ang kasalukuyang kalagayan ng San Cristobal





Matatagpuan po sa Sagip San Cristobal FB Page(http://facebook.com/SagipSanCristobal) ang iba pang mga larawan.

Ang mga larawan po ay kuha ni G. Bong Cadawas, acting chairman at isa sa mga official photographer ng PHCHC.

#4: SAGIP SAN KRISTOBAL Author: joven cajipe PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:36 am
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HANGGANG LIKE LANG BA TAYO?

MAKIISA AT MAKI BAHAGI SA MAKASAYSAYANG PROYEKTONG ITO.

ITATAK NATIN SA PINTANG ITO ANG ATING HENERASYON NA NAG PAHALAGA AT NAG TULUNGAN UPANG HUMABA ANG PANANATILI NG PINTANG ITO.

HUWAG NATING HAYAANG SISIHIN TAYO NG MGA SUSUNOD NA HENERASYON NA HINDI NA MAKAKA KITA SA PINTANG ITO DAHIL SA ATING KAPABAYAAN.

TARA NA MAKI BAHAGI AT MAGING TAGA SAGIP SA PINTA ITO.

PAANO? MAG IWAN LANG NG COMMENT SA PAGE NA ITO NA NAG NANAIS KAYONG MAKI BAHAGI AT KAMI PO AY MAKIKIPAG UGNAYAN SA INYO UPANG IPALIWANAG ANG PROYEKTONG ITO.

SALAMAT PO!

#5: Sagip San Cristobal Author: fredmcLocation: Fred Cagayat PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:15 am
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Arhjay,

Salamat sa details and info sa mailing list. Natutuwa ako at tila very organized at determined ang mga kasapi dito sa project. Count me in. I want to be involved too. Kung may private email address si Joven, paki e-mail lang ako sa: fredmc311@yahoo.com. Baka may nais akong itanong pa.

Kumusta na lang sa ama (Rene). Sayang at hindi kami nagkausap nang umuwi ako noong February. Congratulation on your forthcoming graduation. More power to you.

Tito Fred

#6:  Author: joven cajipe PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:19 am
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Maraming Salamat po sa mga tumutugon sa panawagang ito. ang komisyon po ay patuloy sa mga gawain upang maging matagumpay ang proyetong ito.
pagpalain po tayo ng Poong Mahal at ng Mahal na Inang Birheng Maria.

Bro. Joven Cajipe

#7: 1st donor Author: joven cajipe PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 9:44 am
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salamat po sa aming first donor ng sagip Kristobal project na si Ms. Marvelyn I. Madridejos. Pagpalain po kayo ng Poong May kapal at ng Mahal na Inag Birheng Maria.

#8: update Author: joven cajipe PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 12:10 am
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nag send napo kmi ng email sa national museum at hinihintay po namin ang kanilang pag tugon. sana po mag tulungan na tyao. sa bawat araw na lumilipas ay patuloy ang pag ka sira nito. sana po mag tulungan tayo. salamat po!

#9: media Author: joven PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 8:58 pm
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nag txt na din po ako sa mga kilala ko sa media. nag txt bak po c Ms. Zhian Ambrocio ng TV patrol at kinokontak nya c kuya kim at c Mr. Julius Babao. wait pa din po ng mga rply. sana po tayong mga taga paete dto sa atin at s ibang bansa ay magtulungan bago mahuli ang lahat. kung may mga contacts po kayo. pls... introduce the project. thank you!

#10: San Cristobal mural restoration Author: Guest PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:20 am
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first of all, let me extend my congatulations to the PHCHC of the San Santiago Parish, Paete, Laguna in their initiative move in the restoration of the religious artwork San Cristobal mural by artist Jose Dans housed and displayed in the Paete Catholic church. May I know if this and other murals in our church have been registered in the agencies concerned like the National Museum, NCCA and others. This is my unsolicited advice for the commission to inquire and seek recommendation on estimated costs and execution of workmanlike and professional fresco painting retouches of the project.
On the budgetary sourcing, government agencies like the PAGCOR, NCCAand other related agencies, Peoples Organizations, NGOs can be greatly considered in the financial assistance for the project.
Disregard this advice if is already incorporated in your plans.

GOD BLESS, More power and thank you.

#11: update Author: joven cajipe PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:54 am
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Thank you po sa advice. actually d pa po register ang mga paintings ang alam ko po ang paete church ay declared as national historical site by the former president marcos but not particular registered the paintings on the said agencies.

maganda po ang suggestion at yun nga po ang gusto naming mangyari. pero wala po kami connection. nag email po kami sa national museum at sa NHI pero wala pang rply bz pa cguro s celebration ng bday ng Pambansang bayani.

sana po matulungan nyo kami na magkaron ng connection sa mga nasabi nyon agencies.

Pls help us. malaki napo ang sira ng painting. pwede nyo pong bisitahin sa simbahan para mkita nyo ang kalunuslunus na condition. baka po mahuli na ang lahat.

pls po tulungan nyo po kami. panawagan narin po sa pamahalaang bayan kay Mayor Cadayona at sa iba pang may malaking maitutulong dito.

salamat po!

#12:  Author: PHCHC-Arthur PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:32 pm
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sana po ay bigyang pansin natin ang proyektong ito, sa pamunuan ng ating bayan, sana po ang mabigyan pansin nio ito, hindi po namin ito kaya mag isa, kailangan po namin ng inyong tulong,, sa mga kababayan natin maraming salamat sa mga nag paabot ng inyong tulong, ginagawa po namin lahat ng aming makakaya upang isalba ang painting ng ating bayan, hindi lang po ito ordinaryong painting isa sa pinaka matanda at pinaka malaking painting sa pilipinas wag nating hayaan na tuluyang masira

#13: update Author: sunday PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 7:01 pm
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Last sunday po nung tinignan ulit namin ang painting ng San kristobal ay umangat na po ang isa sa wood pannel simula sa baba pataas at mga ilang panahon nalang ay babagsak na ito. kelan pa po kaya mag kakaron ng linaw ang aming mga ginagawang hakbang.

kami po kasama ng aming grupo ay nag bibigay impormasyon lamang po sa inyo at nag hihintay ng inyong pag tugon. at hindi po ito uusad hanggat hindi po kami pinapansin.

tuloy tuloy po ang mga pag pupulong namin at pag plaplano subalit parang pinang hihinaan na kmi ng loob dahil tila hindi kami naririnig dahil maliliit lamang kaming tinig.

pero kaligayahan n namin na simula s kamusmusan ng isip ay nag tangka kmi at nag sisigaw sa lahat na TULONG TULONG.

madinig po sana kmi ng mga dapat na didinig sa amin.

#14:  Author: joven cajipe PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 2:30 am
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sumagaot na pao ang sangay ng pamahalaan para sa proyekto ng sagip san kristobal project. mag sasagawa po sila ng pag susuri sa mga pinta ng ating simbahan at kung ano ang nararapat na mga hakbang upang mapanatili at mapangalagaan ang mga pintang ito. sana po sa pamamagitan nito ay simulan na natin ang pag tutuluingan para sa magandang proyektong ito. kasama narin po dito ang aming panawagan sa kahit anong suportang inyong maipagkakaloob. sa lokal na pamahalaan natin at sa mga NGO's at mga pribadong individual.

Dear Bro. Joven Cajipe,

Greetings from the National Historical Commission of the Philippines!

This is in reference to your email dated June 16, 2011 requesting for help in the preservation of some of the oldest and largest fresco paintings found in the St. James the Apostle Parish Church.

We wish to inform you that we are pleased to provide technical assistance on this matter as we are committed to promote the protection of our material heritage.

The NHCP technical team plans to visit the Paete Church and assess the actual condition of the paintings in the morning of June 30, 2011 and hopefully, we would be able to come up with urgent measures to protect their existence acceptable to all concern.

Looking forward to meet you and Fr. Joseph dela Rosa for this undertaking. Our warmest regards.

Sincerely,
Engr. Larry C. Cruz
OIC, Materials Research Conservation Division

#15:  Author: joven cajipe PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 7:07 am
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naka bisita na po ang mga representative ng National Historical commission of the Philippines at mula po sa kanilang pag bisita ay gagawa sila ng recomendation at mula po doon ay hahanap tayo ng grupo na maaring gumawa ng kanilang rekomendasyon.

sana po suportahan nyo kami....

#16: Sagip San Cristobal Forum Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 1:07 pm
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Please use this Forum for all events, postings, announcements and we will try to update everyday so it will remain both on top of the Usap Index.
tthanx po!

Sagip San Cristobal is an art preservation and fund raising project for Paete's San Cristobal mural

Description San Cristobal is one Jose Luciano Dans' large paintings inside the St. James the Apostle Parish (Paete) Church. Painted in 1850, it is one of the Philippines' largest and oldest painting with known author. It was actually the second San Cristobal painting by Dans. The first one is a fresco painted on the church wall. This fresco was hidden from the public as the wooden mural hides the fresco from view. It was in the 1980's that the fresco was again rediscovered.

For information about the Sagip San Cristobal Project, email us at

sagipsancristobalpaete@gmail.com

the OFFICIAL site of SAGIP SAN CRISTOBAL
for FACEBOOK users it is at:
http://www.facebook.com/SagipSanCristobal

for the public pls. go to: http://www.newsflash.org/2004/02/tl/tl013517.htm

these messages are from the Sagip San Cristobal FB group:
if there isn't one yet i request that this be transferred to a SAGIP SAN CRISTOBAL forum or to be as a Sticky category. tnx, tlee


Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe at: [url]<http>[/url]

Ioannes said:
pede b tong i post sa usap paete? me bagong website din daw ang paete. baka pwede tayo dun mag post din. tnx...

here is the shortened URL to view the dilapidated and decomposing state of the historical San Cristobal wall painting. help save our heritage! help conserve the paintings in our church for our grandchildren and great and great, great, great grandchildren to come.

this photo was posted at Facebook (FB) by Bernard Cadawas <url>

here is the shortened URL of Bernard's photo:
http://alturl.com/c4mps

[editing: sorry that URL needs a FB login so just pls. ignore and
i will be posting Sagip San Cristoal images, pdf files and any official documents coming to me from the Facebook group here at Usap to share with the Paete public soon!]

from renatus jacobus [Hi Arjhay Smile ] <url>
RJ Balandra said:

If you have contacts po na maaring makatulong sa project, please pakisabi po sa amin. Smile... We're looking for sponsors para sa souvenir items among others. We would post the whole project proposal asap. Smile

thanks guys!
keep up the good start. don't let the project die!
dada lee
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#17: Sagip San Cristobal first steps-posted by Joven Cajipe Author: tlee PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 1:38 pm
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from FB wall of Joven Cajipe:

Dear Bro. Joven Cajipe,

Greetings from the National Historical Commission of the Philippines!

This is in reference to your email dated June 16, 2011 requesting for help in the preservation of some of the oldest and largest fresco paintings found in the St. James the Apostle Parish Church.

We wish to inform you that we are pleased to provide technical assistance on this matter as we are committed to promote the protection of our material heritage.

The NHCP technical team plans to visit the Paete Church and assess the actual condition of the paintings in the morning of June 30, 2011 and hopefully, we would be able to come up with urgent measures to protect their existence acceptable to all concern.

Looking forward to meet you and Fr. Joseph dela Rosa for this undertaking. Our warmest regards.

Sincerely,
Engr. Larry C. Cruz
OIC, Materials Research Conservation Division

copied and pasted by Dada Lee.

#18:  Author: joven cajipe PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 5:37 pm
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Thank you po. Napakalaking suporta po nitong inyong ginawang hakbang para sa project sagip san Kristobal. sana po maka miting nmin kayo or if not possible makausap nmin kayo sa pamamagitan ng tele conference we will consult to you and present the whole concept of the project. God Bless po.

#19:  Author: joven cajipe PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 5:47 pm
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Maraming salamat po sa inyo. alam po namin na sa pamamagitan ng inyong pagtugon at hakbang para ang aming panawagan ay madinig ng karamihan dito sa ating bayan at sa iba pang lugar na may mga taga Paeteng nais mag bahagi para sa pananatili ng Pinta sa ating simbahan. ang mga pintang ito ay nag papakilala sa lahat ng ating Sining, kultura at tradisyon. ang pag kasira nito ay salamin ng ating kapabayaan at kawalan ng pagpapahalaga sa magagandang bahagi ng ating kasaysayan.

#20: hello, bro joven! SSC!!! Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:16 am
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we will! and most likely via teleconferencing and via Webcam i think is the easiest connection. i have probs with extra time in my sked. i will try hard to find the extra time. just keep messaging me from FB on new events and new reports.

at this very moment i am using my break time to try and move Bernard's photo to another URL outside of Facebook so those who are not on FB and who are here at Usap can see the photo instantly visual.

what i need is to save the image into my hard disk. can you ask Bernard to email me the image file so i can post it in full view of every
visitor in Usap forum? the link i posted here is still requiring FB logins.
so that's not okay really. we have to share info and photos outside of FB.

you are all doing good work, this is a dream project, dreams do come true, so never waver.
dada lee

#21: my email.... Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:21 am
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please use my BellCanada sympatico email address which is:

leeq@sympatico.ca (make note of the .ca (for canada)

tnx,
tlee


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#22:  Author: joven cajipe PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 7:43 am
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Maraming salamat po ulit. natutuwa po kmi dahil may katulad nyong pumapansin sa amin dto sa usap paete. muntik n kaming panghinaan ng loob pero salamat po at sa pamamagitan ng inyong pag sagot ay nanumbalik ang aming sigla sa pagkilos. ipaparating ko po ke bernard cadawas ang inyong request. ngayun po ay sinisimulan ng bakuran ang pintang ito upang maiwasan na ang pag kasira pa dulot ng pag hipo at pag tuon dito. ipapadala po namin sa inyo ang pictures. salmat po sana po ay may roon pang tumugon. kailangan po namin ng mga sponsors para sa launching program sa August 27.

#23: Mawalang galang na nga po sa inyong lahat.. Author: Guest PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 5:50 pm
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Mas mainam po siguro ay kopyahin at ipaste ninyo dito sa USAP PAETE forum yong mga proyekto na sa aking pagkakaintindi ay nakasaulat sa inyong Facebook account. Maraming mga nagbabasa nitong Forum na walang Facebook account (isa na po ako) at hindi mababasa ang inyong mga proyekto.

Ito naman po ay isang munting mungkahi at huwag naman po sanang mamasamain.

#24: SagipSanCristobal update from Arjhey & leiram velasco Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:52 pm
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from Arjhey:
Sagip San Cristobal update: May bakod na po yung San Cristobal at pati na rin yung isa pang painting ni Jose Dans na Langit,Lupa, Impiyerno...

Kung may friends po kayo na gustong makatulong, iadd po natin sila sa group na ito. Smile.. Official email address of the project is sagipsancristobalpaete@gmail.c​om.
Yesterday July 18 at 8:55am

sabi ni Leiram:
http://www.facebook.com/leiram.velasco
last sunday.. may nakita ako na mga nakaupo sa ilalim ng san cristobal i'm planning to ask father sana kung pwede lagyan nlng muna ng mga stand yung tapat ng san cristobal para walang nakaupo pag misa Smile)
July 4 at 9:33am [/img]

#25: Donation Author: joven cajipe PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:48 am
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Lubos po ang pasasalamat sa mga nag abot ng tulong para sa sagip san kristobal. kay Maam Ma Cristina Mendoza Agbada at kay Ms. Jean Almeda Mizel. Patuloy parin po ang mga pag plaplano at hakbangin para sa kaganapan ng proyektong ito. maraming salamat po muli.

#26: SAGIP SAN CRISTOBAL updates from FACEBOOK group Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:36 am
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from FACEBOOK sabi ni Ionanes:

ANG PABAKOD PALANG PO AY GUMASTOS NA NG 5,000 PESOS. KAYA PATULOY PO ANG PAG TANGGAP NG INYONG MGA TULONG AT UMASA PO KAYO NA LAHAT PO NG INYONG TULONG AY PARA SA MGA HIGANTENG PINTA NG ATING SIMBAHAN.

SALAMAT PO DADA LEE. MEJO NAGING BZ PO KZ DAHIL SA DEBOSYON KAY SANTIAGO APOSTOL AT PAG HAHANDA PARA SA FIESTA. ANG LAUNCH PO AY TENTATIVE PARIN HANGGAT D PA PO NA TITIPON ANG PONDONG GAGAMITIN PARA SA LAUNCHING PROGRAM. MALAKING PROGRAMA PO KZ YUN MAY FUN RUN AT STAGE PRESENTATION ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF SAN CRISTOBAL ALSO HISTORICAL BACKGROUND ME GINAGAGAWA DIN PONG DOCU FILM PARA DITO. FUNDS LANG PO TALAGA ANG PROBLEMA PERO MERON NAPONG NAIIPON GALING SA ILANG DONORS.

sabi ni dada lee at FB:
Facebookhello, keep the pix coming. I will be
posting these images at Usap soon
and am also posting SAGIP SAN CRISTOBAL
launching on my website soon, I hope!

Tuesday 10:30 am in Toronto
i am here now at Usap Very Happy
we'll keep meeting here at Usap SSC Forum in front of everybody...
dada lee
P.S. got the latest photo of St. Cristopher. Tnx Ionanes (is this your chosen name? parang very priestly) Laughing but i like it! mahirap
lang tandaan ang spelling Rolling Eyes

BTW: Thanks SeniorModerator for creating the SSC Forum! we will work hard from now on to make this forum the busiest yet here at paete.org.....
tlee

#27: Facebook Group: THANK YOU SO MUCH po! God bless.... Author: dada lee PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:49 am
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sabi ni joven:
Lubos po ang pasasalamat sa mga nag abot ng tulong para sa sagip san kristobal. kay Maam Ma Cristina Mendoza Agbada at kay Ms. Jean Almeda Mizel. Patuloy parin po ang mga pag plaplano at hakbangin para sa kaganapan ng proyektong ito. maraming salamat po muli.

#28: from National Historical Commission Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:54 pm
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from FB wall of Joven Cajipe:

Dear Bro. Joven Cajipe,

Greetings from the National Historical Commission of the Philippines!

This is in reference to your email dated June 16, 2011 requesting for help in the preservation of some of the oldest and largest fresco paintings found in the St. James the Apostle Parish Church.

We wish to inform you that we are pleased to provide technical assistance on this matter as we are committed to promote the protection of our material heritage.

The NHCP technical team plans to visit the Paete Church and assess the actual condition of the paintings in the morning of June 30, 2011 and hopefully, we would be able to come up with urgent measures to protect their existence acceptable to all concern.

Looking forward to meet you and Fr. Joseph dela Rosa for this undertaking. Our warmest regards.

Sincerely,
Engr. Larry C. Cruz
OIC, Materials Research Conservation Division

copied and pasted by Dada Lee.


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#29:  Author: joven cajipe PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:11 pm
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Tnx po ng marami. @ dada lee ako po c ioannes ioventus yan po ang name ko sa FB latin po ng real name ko John Joven Cajipe.

mag meeting po ulit kmi sa saturday para pag usapan ang legal entity ng grp. maraming salamat po!

ionnes ioventus

#30: Sagip Cristobal Author: DocTabia-Guest PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:59 am
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Ate Lee has done a very good job in the facebook and web for the Sagip.Joven Cajipe is spearheading the fund collection to restore and save the Cristobal for posterity. For such a project , have you estimated how much it will cost ? What expert did the estimate? Who will be restoring the painting. there maybe more questions later on but providing the Paetenians answers to these questions, will be a good start.
DocTabia,
President-PI Umbrella Org

#31: from Facebook group: SAGIP SAN CRISTOBAL Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:06 pm
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Sabi ni Onyx Sunga:
Onyx Sunga changed the group description to "Ang Proyekto po ay naglalayong palaganapin ang kaalaman tungkol sa kasalukuyang kalagayan ng San Cristobal Painting.

UPANG MAKATULONG, I-ADD PO NATIN SA GROUP LAHAT NG ATING KAKILALA, KAIBIGAN AT KAMAG-ANAK. LALUNG-LALO NA ANG MGA TAGA-PAETE. "

sabi ni Ionanes kahapon:
Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe: nakipag usap po kami kay mayor at na pag usapan po ang legal entity ng grp. kaya po ipapa register po ang aming commission sa SEC sa pangalang PAETE HISTORICAL AND CULTURAL HERITAGE COMMISSION.
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sabi ni Arthur de la Cerna:
aasahan po namin ang inyong makikilahok sa mga hakbangin para maayos ang san cristobal painting,, suportahan nyo po kami.

sabi ni Gem Vecino:
salamat po sa at sana agad pong matutukan at maayos ang painting ni San Cristobal

Sagip Cristobal Document
Current Bracketing System for tokens:

Category 1: Mga nagambag ng hindi hihigit sa Php. 500

Token: Keychains o postcards

Category 2: Mga nagambag ng hindi hihigit sa Php. 1000

Token: mugs at tumbler

Category 3: Mga nagambag ng hindi hihigit sa Php. 3000

Token: tshirts

Category 4: Mga nagambag na hindi hihigit sa Php. 10000

Token: Combination ng iba't ibang mga tokens na nakalagay sa mga naunang kategorya

Category 5: Mga nagambag na hihigit sa Php. 20000

Ang token po para sa mga mapapabilang sa huling kategorya ay naiiba sapagkat ang matatanggap po ng mga benefactors sa kategoryang ito ay replica

Modifications/Suggestions:

Alisin na ung Category 1 and 2. Magbenta na lang tayo ng keychains, postcards, mugs, and other items.

Yung Category 3 imomodify: Parang the 20$ Club Concept nung sa Poten. Benefactors would be asked to donate 3000 pesos or its foreign currency equivalent. The idea ay pag maraming benefactors, lalaki din yung pera in the end. Tapos, the first benefactor kasi donated approximately 3000 pesos.

Category 5: Replica -> Need to identify people na willing gumastos for replicas. Kasama rin dito ung may current replica na nangangailangan ng authentication. (Again, clarification sa authentication, ang authentication certificate na irerelease ay authentication na original siya ng artist)

#32: some active members of the FaceBook SAGIP SAN CRISTOBAL Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:31 pm
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Names: (their photos are coming soon here)
1. Arjhei Balandra
2. Joven Cajipe
3. Bernard Cadawas
4. Onyx Sunga
5. Arthur Dans De La Cerna
6. Emil Cagayat
7. Gem Vecino Carolino
8. Leiram Velasco Dalay
9. Lee Quesada

more to come......
dada lee

#33: from my Facebook wall this morning.... Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:04 am
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Doc Tabia Adefuin commented on my wall:
Ate Lee, You are doing a good job making everyone aware of the Sagip San Cristobal. Picuters are very important, a picture is worth a thousand words.Do Joven and the group have any estimate of how much it will cost to restore the picture? ...Who will restore the picture? With poor US Economy,( Canada Dollar is now worth more than the US dollar), people are weary of opening their pocket book without definitive end point. Tab

Lee replied:
Tabs, thank you. these kids are to be commended and i am doing my best to assist them. joven and the others are meeting this Saturday.. so we will get more latest info from their walls. of course right now they are very busy with the coming Fiesta ng San Santiago Apostol... but i will go all out and more globally on this project's promotion to help the kids efforts in fund raising.. i have no money so this is the least i could dofor the worthwhile project!

in August 27 (tentative still) as soon as the kids are ready for the big launching we will know all about the project and hopefully including how much a projected cost of the works required in the murals.. i believe the kids are doing this with KaNoel's guidance and the Church Conservation Heritage of the Philippines where Joven is in contact with.

re the Church Conservation Heritage of the Philippines, here is the link to the FAQ (frequently asked questions):

http://www.ivanhenares.com/200.....on-in.html

Mr. Ivan Henares is Joven's contact person. Ivan has visited about 80 provinces in the Philippines and his advocacy is Heritage Preservation. He is also a member of the International Cultural Tourism Committee and teaches at the Asian Institute of Tourism in UP Diliman. i will post more about him later. here is his photo as one of the 10 City Heroes you should know.
Mr. Ivan Henares of the Church Heritage Conservation of the Philippines. from all Paetenians here at www.paete.org Thank you sir for your support and your help advocating this town project!

i will try and post all pictures, documents, etc as soon asthey have finalized their preparation for the launching in August. the FB group will post everything, ALL INFO on their walls... i hope the kids will get busy taking photos inside and outside the church with their cell phones. God bless Doc and keep watching us here.

Everybody here is Joven Cajipe (his FB name: Ioannes Ioventus Sanctorafaeli Cajipe)


tlee

#34: PHOTOS from the Official FB site of the Sagip San Cristobal Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:41 am
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let's go and WAIT FOR THE OFFICIAL LAUNCHING OF THE Sagip San Cristobal restoration heritage sometime next month.
God bless Paete! God bless our church!
tlee


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#35:  Author: Arjhei37Location: Paete, Laguna, Philippines PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:36 am
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Nakapag ocular inspection na po ang National Historical Commission of the Philippines (formerly NHI) sa simbahan this July and ang estimate po nila for the painting would be Php. 1.8 million pesos po para marestore siya. Di pa po namin hawak ung specifics and breakdown nung paggugulan nung 1.8 million dahil inaantay po uli naming magreply ang NHCP dahil sa kanila po manggagaling yun. Meron din po kaming isa pang hawak na proposal na isa pero yun naman po ay for diagnosis and analysis pa lang ng painting (hindi pa kasama yung mismong restoration), Php. 300,000 naman po yung nandun sa isang proposal. As of now, inaasikaso po namin ang pagpaparegister ng grupo sa SEC para magkaroon na po ng legal entity for the project, in this regard ay tinutulungan po kami ng Munisipyo. Ang PHCHC po kasi as of now ay isang parish-based organization na recognized ng parokya.

Gayundin po, may grants program din po ang NCCA and isa po yun sa tinitingan para maging source of funds para sa restoration.

Regarding Ivan Henares, hindi po si Ivan Henares yung tumulong sa amin sa ngayon kundi si Mr. Joel Aldor po, also a member of the Heritage Conservation Society (http://www.joelaldor.com/who-is-joel/).

Ayun po. Smile
Sana po ay tuloy-tuloy na itong mga nangyayari para sama-sama po nating mailigtas para sa mga susunod pang henerasyon ang San Cristobal. Smile

The e-mail address of the Sagip San Cristobal Project is sagipsancristobalpaete@gmail.com. Smile

God bless us all. Smile

#36: the one article by Butch Dalisay that started this all.... Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:48 pm
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at this link:


http://www.philstar.com/Articl.....egoryId=79

an article in the Philippine Star by Butch Dalisay.

sabi ni Noriel Paygane on his wall:

itinuturing na KAYAMANAN ng byan ng PAETE LAGUNA. pati nrin ng bnsang PILIPINAS ang PINAKA MALAKI AT PINAKA MATANDANG ipininta ni JOSE LUCIANO DANS ang SAN CRISTOBAL noong taong 1850 kasalukuyang pinangangalagaan ng PAROKYA NI SANTIAGO APOSTOL Paete Laguna...AKO at PHCHC at PAROKYA NI SANTIAGO APOSTOL ay humuhingi po ng TAUS PUSONG TU...LONG S LAHAT NG MGA PINTOR at MANG GUGUHIT at kahit kanino na tulungan po kami kung paano pa maiipreserba at tuluyang mapigilan ang PAGKA SIRA nito UPANG MAKITA p ng mga SUSUNOD n HINERASYON....kung ikaw ay isang pintor papayag ka bng masira ang iginuhit mo n nag sisilbing kayamanan MO at ng kahit SINO.. TARA SAGIP SAN CRISTOBAL SAGIPIN NA!!!!!!!!!!See More


as ofg June 19: Ioannes said:
Project Update: Nag aantay po kami ng reply from the national museum regarding sa restoration part ng Sagip San Cristobal Project. Magrerelease na rin po kami ng official letters soon. Muli po, kung may katanungan po tayo, mag email po lamang sa sagipsancristobalpaete@gmail.c​om.

God bless us all! Smile
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sabi ni Arthur dela Cerna:
Ang pangunahing Goal po ng project ay isaayos at ibalik sa dating anyo at kalagayan ang Malaking pinta ng San Cristobal sa simbahan ng Paete, dahil sa tanda at laki ng pinta, kinakailangan po ng tamang pag-aaral at hakbang, kaugnay nito ang paglikom ng pondo para isakatuparan ang plano.

MGA HAKBANG SA PAG SASA-AYOS NG PINTA:
1. Pag liko...m ng Pondong panimula, para sa pag aaral ng Pinta
2. Pag aaral at Pag susuri sa Pinta (Documentation and Diagnostic)
3. Paglikom ng Pondo para sa Total Restoration
4. Total Restoration
5. Prevention

-Research and Development
/Documentation Department- See More
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In the church in Paete, Laguna are two works by Josef Luciano Dans (1805- ca. 1870), probably one of the earliest recorded painters in Philippine art history.

from:
http://filipinokastila.tripod......paint.html

Spanish Influence on Filipino Visual Arts
filipinokastila.tripod.com

When the Spaniards arrived in the Philippines in 1521, the colonizers used art as a tool to propagate the Catholic faith through beautiful images. With communication as problem, the friars used images to explain the concepts behind Catholicism, and to tell the stories of Christs life and passion. I
June 18 at 11:35am · Like · Comment


likhang pilipino, yaman ng bansa, tulungan itayo at ipagmalaki..

June 5 at 10:07pm · Like · Comment

maraming salamat Arthur.
i think i have picked up all the wall posts and this was the first posting.
tlee

#37: photo Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:50 pm
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#38: photo Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:51 pm
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#39: thank you RJ for the update and.... Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:22 pm
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thank you also forthe correction re Ivan Henares:

eto na si Mr. Joel Alador na siya ang personal contact ng project:


Joel is an aspiring historian in Philippine Catholicism, a heritage conservationist and a professional tour guide who educates people about the importance of promoting and preserving our religious heritage..... eto pa ang sabi niya sa web site niya:
I travel a lot — exploring off the beaten paths, discovering the unknown treasures and immersing myself into the towns and villages. I write about these experiences here in my blog. I also run a tour business, specializing on group tours for schools and private companies, providing them with exciting, enriching and enlightening travel experiences with unconventional encounters on local culture, heritage, food, traditions and rituals.

I’m also a proud member of Heritage Conservation Society and the Brown Movement for Cultural Advancement. I also work as consultant on heritage restoration and preservation, such as the San Cristobal Murals Preservation Project in Paete, Laguna, and a few other similar projects around the country. I’ve started as well to contribute magazine articles with special interest in architecture and industrial design.

I’m also an IT professional, a couchsurfer and a self-professed audiophile (who loves to break guitar strings everytime).

THANK you so much Joel, welcome to Paete!
Joel's blogsite: http://www.joelaldor.com/who-is-joel/
we are indeed blessed!
tlee

#40: Sagip document info Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:03 am
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Sagip San Cristobal Project Point Persons .

PHCHC adviser and Sagip San Cristobal Project Over-all Coordinator:

John Joven Cajipe


PHCHC Acting Chairman: Bernard Cadawas


Marketing Committee Head: Rene James Balandra Jr.

Members:

Mariel Dalay

Rochelle Nama


Campaigns Committee Head: Nikko Sunga

Members:

Maynard Escalona (apo ko ito:) hi menok!!!


Research, Development and Documentation Committee Head: Arthur Dela Cerna

Members:

Renzo Muega


Note: Paedit na lang PHCHC dun sa mga wala pa, pakilagay na lang yung iba pang committee members sa proper committees nila.

join us at:

http://alturl.com/jwubx

tlee

#41: we now have a forum for SAGIP SAN CRISTOBAL..... Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:19 am
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please let us use the San Cristobal Forum for all our postings and events..... i will make it stay active on top of the index as best i can.
thanks guys,
dada lee

#42: OH, GOODY! WE NOW HAVE JUST ONE SAGIP SAN CRISTOBAL AREA Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 1:09 pm
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BAIT NAMAN ng mga mr.moderators.... thank you again for synchronizing the 2 posting areas...... mga kapatid from FB dito na lang tayo palagi hani? this is the FORUM area...para sama-sama!
dada lee
the FB guys:
this is Onyx Sunga


this is Arthur Dans Dela Cerna (FB name Zrohour)

#43: FB group--- introducing in photos... Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 1:16 pm
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Joven Cajipe and Mykel Cadapan

#44: FB group cont'd..... Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 1:24 pm
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this is Leiram Velasco Dalay


here is Bernard Cadawas


si Maynard Christian Baldemor Escalona (Menok)


Emil Cagayat Acupanda


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#45: FB group cont'd..... Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 1:34 pm
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this is Arjhei Balandra


dada Lee


Noriel Paygane


and Gem Vecino Carolino

#46:  Author: joven PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:09 pm
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Maraming salamat po... dada lee... super bz nga po ngayun para sa fiesta bukas pero sa mga sandaling nababakante ay nag chechek po kmi ng forum at sagip san cristobal.

aasikasuhin po namin ang SEC rergistration at isusunod po namin ang big fund raising campaign yun pong sagip san cristobal fun-run sa Aug 27 at yun pong stage presentation about san cristobal. mejo nahihirapan po kami dahil may iba pa pong gawain ang simbahan ako din po kz ang tumatayong Parish Pastoral Council President sa ating Parokya at lahat po ng gawain ng simbahan ay pinapangisaawaan po natin. mejo nananamlay po ang mga kasama ko s PHCHC dahil kinukulang po ako sa panahon para sa kanila. pero tulad ni RJ balandra at iba pa ay tuloy parin po ang pag kilos.

tulungan nyo po kami dahil hindi po namin ito kakayanin ng kami kami lang. si mayor cadayona po ay tutulong na din po sa amin iniitay nalang po namin ang tulong din ng sanguniang bayan at ng iba pang mga NGO's at pribadong indibidual dito sa ating bayan at sa ibang bansa.

maraming salamat po ulit...

best regards

joven

#47: to Joven Author: lee quesada PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 5:27 am
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not to worry Joven, just keep doing the best you can.... Maligaya at matagumpay na Fiesta bukas! God guide you and richly bless you for your much needed works for our church.
Looking forward to August 27 Fun Run, etc.
good luck everybody, God is with us all always. and God is good all the time.
dada lee

#48: Sagip San Cristobal back in October 2010 Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:06 pm
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this is from Ivan Henares "Ivan about Town" blog tours to help and save our heritage:



Viaje Na! Laguna and Quezon (October 9 to 10, 2010)
For the benefit of the Paete Church murals art conservation project
Celebrate South Luzon’s arts, culture, cuisine, nature and history as you trace the charming route of Viaje del Sol: an alliance of soulful establishments that promote sustainable tourism and endorse our unique Filipino culture, heritage and artisanship.

Ever tried eating a lunch of binalot at a raft in the middle of the lake? Or a full Filipino traditional breakfast while enjoying the breathtaking view of the majestic Mt. Banahaw? Curious about Ugu Bigyan’s secret recipe of his famous kulawo? How about a delectable set of exotic Paeteño dishes, or a 4-course dinner of the best gourmet food around? You’ll be in for a gastronomical encounter with the most sumptuous cuisine that will surely make you beg for more!

We will be visiting the best-kept secrets of Laguna and Quezon as we catch the sunlight running thru charming country inns, off-the-beaten path cafes, and inspiring art studios. Also included in the tour are the most historical Spanish-era churches that have shaped the country’s soul and spirit for centuries.

Tour package is Php5,500 per person. There are only 12 slots available.

a comment and a reply from Joel Aldor (Illuminati Tours) on this post:
ive seen those san cristobal paintings btw. so disheartening how the people themselves don't seem to give a damn
15.9.10
R.O. said...

blame it on the hate (i.e. anything anti-spanish)?
15.9.10
Illuminati Tours said...

Hi R.O.

That is why we're here. We're already working with the Paete Community to save the murals. We do give a damn. If you do give a damn, why don't you join our tour and help us save the San Cristobal Murals? Smile

- Joel Aldor
Illuminati Travel & Tours Philippines.
25.9.10

#49: The State of the Art in Paete..by d transcendental traveller Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:21 pm
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[img]http://2.gravatar.com/avatar/ff8b1874ecc6679508a0ed960abbd1fd?size=420[/img]
here is an excerpt from my friend, The Transcendental Traveler:

"But our raison d’etre for visiting the town were the murals at Paete’s St. James the Apostle Church. All four masterpieces have been dated to the mid-19th century and attributed to one local artist, Jose Luciano Dans. They are all in various states of deterioration. Three of these are near the main portal, the fourth is nearer the altar (and is the least damaged). Two paintings are twins, depicting the same subject: St. Christopher (San Cristobal) – curiously not the saint the church was named after.

"I’m not familiar with the Catholic canon of saints, but St. Christopher doesn’t seem to be one of those superstar saints. His history is largely obscure. Legend has it that he went on a quest for the most powerful ruler. He served a king who shuddered at the mere mention of the devil. Fail. The devil betrayed his cowardice by trembling at the sight of the cross. Epic fail. This led him to search for Christ, the fearsome, not fearful, King of kings. As an act of Christian service, he put his heft and height to good use by carrying people on his back across a turbulent river. He became a human bridge and converted people to Christianity until his decapitation for proselytizing in what is now Turkey.

"The legend served as the inspiration for two of these murals. Both depict St. Christopher fording a stream with the Christ Child perched on his shoulder. The first one, nearest the main portal, is the original mural. It’s in better shape though because it had been concealed under the newer one for decades, consequently protected from the elements.

"The original mural is a fresco – a painting on a stone wall and plaster. Some parts had chipped away, marred by awkward attempts at smoothening out the pockmarks. The newer mural was painted on a wooden (molave) panel, which by now has deeply-grooved cracks and gaping holes, especially at the lower periphery"

[img]http://ajpoliquit.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/p1140143.jpg?w=225&h=300[/img]
Scratching the Surface of Art Desecration

his site is very cool: http://ajpoliquit.wordpress.co.....-in-paete/

Thank you AJ!and Thank you for remembering Fiesta sa Paete.
lee

#50: update info from Joven's FB wall Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:13 am
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Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe
may magandang balita na received na po ng NCCA ang inquiries natin regarding sa san kristobal painting after several months month of may pa po ako nag email sa kanila kasabay ng email ko sa National Historical Commission... tumawag sa akin ang NCCA ngayun lang bibisita sila sa church to visit the painting for assessment and documentations. schedule daw next wk depende sa availability ng conservators. need nating i prepare ang scafolding daw...

yung NHC under Engnr. Larry Cruz after po ng visitation nila ay wala paring pinapadalang recomendation. ang NCCA naman po ang mag asess at hintay po ulit ng recomendation ang maganda dito d lang sila technical assitance pwede din daw sila ang mag finance pero dapat daw po ang LGU ang ka MOA nila...

magandang balita po yun para sa atin. wait ko pa po ang confirmation ng visit nila thru email.
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TY Joven!

#51:  Author: FROM JOVEN..PAANYAYA PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:46 pm
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SA MGA KABABAYAN... PAANYAYA

Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe
INAANYAYAHAN PO LAHAT NG MGA TAGA PAG MAY-ARI NG IMAHEN NG MAHAL NA INANG BIRHENG MARIA. MAG KAKAROON PO TAYO NG PAG PUPULONG SA DARATING NA LINGGO SA GANAP NA IKA-9 NG UMAGA SA TAHANAN NG HERMANO AT HERMANA MAYOR BRO PALOY AT SIS. MEMA CAGAYAT.
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#52: from Arthur dela Cerna FB wall Author: leequsada PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 1:01 am
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Arthur Dans Dela Cerna: naging busy lang sa fiesta pero hindi dapat pabayaan ang mahalagang pamana ng sining at kultura sa ating bayan

from Backtrails Blog by by Pransism : Land of the Carved...Paete
Besides the intricately designed retablos and religious items within the Paete church, the paintings hanged on its walls prove to be interesting. Why? Because they are direct relics from Paete’s distant past. I have been to a number of museums before showcasing many precious paintings by eminent Filipino painters but one cannot get near enough to them. But here in Paete you can actually see and touch them for yourself, as if they really are part of the Paeteños’ daily lives.And perhaps that is the problem with these paintings. They are too susceptible for public viewing and abuse that they are threatened by further vandalism. Now what are these paintings I am talking about?

San Cristobal
The first one is entitled San Cristobal (or Saint Christopher). It is a painting done on a 3.5 meter x 5 meter maulawin wood plank by Jose Luciano Dans in 1850. It’s huge already, almost reaching the church’s ceiling. A “curiouser” painting is found just beside this one which is also depiction of San Cristonal. This one has that native look in it: upper torso bared, a bolo (or a kris?), and a tree that looked like a coconut. It is reputed that this was the original San Cristobal painting. But the patrons, probably the church officials, did not like the look and so commissioned a second painting, one which was ‘tamer’ and pleasing to the (conservative) eyes. [I suggest that you read, dear chance reader, stories about St. Christopher. They are quite entertaining.]

Juicio Final
Another one is called Juicio Final done from 1717 to 1720. This one depicts St. Francis and the Salvation of the Soul. The painting must have been of fiery red when it was finished. But time has worn down the colors used for this art work.

Langit, Lupa at Impiyerno
Another Jose Luciano Dans piece. This is quite interesting and close to my heart. The painting is in essence divided into three. The upper part depicts the heaven, with the crucifixion of Christ at the center of attention, moist likely leading the viewer to the thought that he is a ‘God’ who sacrificed himself for the world below.
And this world is given emphasis by two figures in the center of the painting: Adam and Eve standing below the Tree of Knowledge. Right below is hell, easily identified by the suffering faces of the humans painted there. It is good to note that here we can see the sensitivity of the people at that time about the religious teachings. Different punishments were given to the sinners with different transgressions, ones which were probably done during their mortal experience. I have tried to show these ‘specific’ punishments here by taking close-up shots of them.

On Maintaining the Paete Church Paintings
One needs not another earthquake to devastate the church and the treasures inside it. The visible vandalisms on the paintings inside should prompt the church caretakers to make the necessary steps to ensure the safety of these works. A glass protection should do temporarily, if they cannot provide for a more permanent and hassle-free way to preserve them. I admit myself being a historical relic collector but being one would not be good for these paintings. These ones are in the danger of becoming mere souvenirs. You just have to see the San Cristobal and Langit, Lipa at Impyerno paintings to realize how they are being neglected. Again I say they are treasures and we are fortunate enough that we have seen them in our generation. Let us bequeath them for the coming generations.
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#53: here is another Internet traveler talks about Paete heritage Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:18 pm
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here is another traveler on the planet talks about Paete heritage..
[img]http://traveleronfoot.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/paete.jpg?w=470&h=352[/img]

this time i am crossposting the comments about Paete on his blog:
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On July 5, 2011 at 1:30 pm lighthouse23ld said:
Sir, good morning. We need some help here. We need a statue of Saint Peter (4 feet), holding a book and a key. Wood carve. How much will it cost us? Or, can you refer us to somebody; to have a good price. I already get some quotations and the price is really high…

Thank you very much.

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On February 1, 2011 at 8:38 pm francis xavier gabriel said:
boss., magkano po ba magagastos namin pag sa paete kami kumuha ng poon..?
salamat po..

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On February 1, 2011 at 11:04 pm traveler on foot said:
I can’t give specifics, depende sa size and kung sino ang gagawa Francis. Mas expensive ang commission work ng isang master carver than doon sa isang carver na nag mamass produce ng craft.

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On December 9, 2010 at 3:51 pm Marky said:
I heard the Spanish era Church in Paete is one of the most beautiful in the country

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On December 10, 2010 at 1:20 am traveler on foot said:
I believe so Marky. The church of Santiago Apostol in Paete has a ornate facade. Interior has several folk art including remarkable paintings by Jose Dans and exquisite carvings in the main altar and station of the cross.

tlee

http://traveleronfoot.wordpress.com/paete/

#54:  Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:42 am
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Dada Lee's Sagip San Cristobal FB Album

Where in the world is Paete, Laguna?

http://www.facebook.com/media/.....amp;type=1

share this to the whole world out there.....

#55: from another blog: 365 Great Pinoy Stuff Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 6:36 pm
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http://365greatpinoystuff.wordpress.com/

#194 Paete Murals
[img]http://365greatpinoystuff.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/paete-mural-dans.jpg?w=400&h=267[/img]

The 19th century Paete Mural is attributed to Paete artist Jose Dans (1805- ca. 1870), a true son of Paete who used color pigments mixed with pulverized volcanic ash and brushes fashioned from cat’s hair.

At the Paete Parish Church in Laguna are two works by Dans, probably one of the earliest recorded painters in Philippine (colonial) art history. The work “Langit, Lupa at Impierno” (ca. 1850, or Heaven, Earth and Hell), is a three-level painting which shows the Holy Trinity, Mary the Mother of Christ, saints, the Seven Blessed Sacraments and a macabre depiction of hell. The second painting is entitled Purgatorio (Purgatory) which shows the eight punishments the soul passes through for cleansing before reaching heaven.

The mural fascinates with its intriguing and disturbing details, graphically showing the eight forms of punishment. Writer Jose Dalisay described the mural as: “From the entrance, the two on the left depict San Cristobal (St. Christopher) fording a river with the Child Jesus on his shoulder; on the right is a towering, phantasmagoric rendition of Langit, Lupa at Impyerno (Heaven, Earth and Hell).

“The artistry in all three works is superb, the kind of detailing and nuancing you could mull over for hours, seated in a chair in front of the painting. However, all three — indubitably national treasures — are in dire need of restoration.”

Mabuhay ang Paete Murals!

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#56: historical Paete: from artes de leas filipinas Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:40 pm
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PAETE'S TAKA
by: Mailah Baldemor

Beautiful flowers of scarlet red adorn her from head to toe. Big, round, expressive dark eyes govern her proud head and a red stiff tail enhances her powerful back. A small horse; my first taka toy I received from my father. A work of art and a loving gift from a Paetenian.

Paete, Laguna is one of the Philippines’ last remaining artistic strongholds and may be accessed either by passing through the picturesque zigzag of the Eastern Rizal route or through the long stretch of the South Luzon Expressway. The town is known for two things: fine woodcarvers and the golden sweet fruit of lanzones.

Paete derived its name from paet, a Tagalog word for chisel, a principal tool used in woodcarving. The proper pronunciation of the town's name is probably "Pa-e-te", but natives call it "Pay-ti" (Pi-tè) with the guttural "e" sound at the end. Only when conversing with visitors and outsiders do Paetenians use "Pay-ti." When the American Maryknoll missionaries came to Paete in the late 1950s, they even referred to the town as "Piety."

Upon entering the town, you will be welcomed by workers laying brown paper or newsprint papier-mâché pieces (taka) on the roadside for drying. To complement this picture, your nose will probably wiggle delightfully to the smell of gawgaw (starch) paste, wooden logs, and burning sawdust.

The takas from the road shops are “carved during any season to identify any particular season”. You could chance upon the workers making Christmas key figures of Santa Claus, Rudolph the Reindeer, and Frosty the Snowman during the sunny days of April in preparation for the Christmas season. These designs, however, are seasonal and are requested by clients. Inside the town, almost all shops sell different Filipino-inspired designs of carabao figurines, Maria Clara dolls, and horses in a variety of choices. Some new designs have also been incorporated which now includes the querubins, toy soliders, giraffes, rabbits, and a variety of fruits– all in different colors and sizes.


Takas have indeed become the epitome of folk art. They exist in every possible bright and happy color combination, simplified curvilinear forms, flora & fauna motifs, sweet innocence, and delectable charm. These designs change rapidly as time goes by. The development of the taka and takaan (and any cultural norm for that matter) usually spread in an outward path from its source. The present generation seems to have forgotten where the taka originated. The Paeteños believe that the idea originated in Mexico with a significant difference to what we have in Paete. While the Mexican “pinata” is decorated with cut-off colored paper, the Paete’s takas are hand-painted and are sometimes small enough for little girls to use as dolls.

According to Quesada:

In Paete we likewise had woodcarvings of figures of animals, carts and men or women. The carvings were molded in paper and paste, dried out in the sun, then the molds were surgically taken out of its cast. The product was then put together again, dried another time and painted brightly to be sold as toys.

According to the Paete Phenomenon exhibited in the Bulwagang Juan Luna at the Cultural Center of the Philippines, Maria Bague made the first known taka in 1920s. It was wrapped around a mold carved from wood and painted with decorative pattern that eventually became toys and ornaments. Unfortunately, nobody knows if Maria Bague’s taka ever existed as her town was destroyed by fire and almost all traces of the takas she produced have vanished.

The art of taka-making further developed during the American period when the rising newspaper industry produced more newsprint. However, the introduction of plastic toys during this time took its toll on the taka industry, causing it to slowly lessen its demand and, consequently, its production. The taka industry did not rise to its peak again until the mid-70s and early 80s.

Paete has a rich history in the visual arts. Logs of acacia, molave, tipolo or batikuling being loaded onto sawmill or carving shops are a common sight here. Unfortunately, the forests of the Philippines are rapidly being destroyed and plant species are slowly disappearing. The townspeople must learn how to replace the trees felled by the woodcarving industry as the only hope of preventing the ecological, social, and human tragedy was imperiled by this industry.

Since wood is the principal source of woodcarving, the government under President Corazon Aquino implemented a Total Commercial Log Ban Bill in 1992. The total log ban was a good first step in restoring our depleted forests. In another instance, one particular group initiated the “Save the Sierra Madre Movement” to protect the remaining patch of virgin forest in Luzon. This anti-logging task force, responsible for confiscating millions of pesos worth of logs and logging equipment, is also one in helping the government protect our forests.

In the midst of all campaigns to preserve our forests and with the implementation of the Senate Bill for Total Commercial Log Ban, papier-mâché may just be the perfect substitute for wood. As a result, papier-mâché has become the folk art of the Paeteños. Taka makers begin this process by hand carving hardwood sculptures which later on becomes the positive wooden molds (takaans). The takaans are then coated with wax release agents or gewgaw (starch) then hand-painted in a variety of bright and happy colors for embellishments.


Today’s taka-makers have developed and improved their products. From their indigenous to modern designs, the materials they now use are carefully crafted and has incorporated finishes of stucco, gold, finely painted enamel or lacquer and are sold for export. Some takas are also being use for backdrops for television and mall displays. Truly, the taka has gone a long way from its humble beginning.

After so many years, I didn’t realize how important the taka was. A little toy my father gave me many years ago plays an interesting part in the history of arts. I seldom see that red colored taka horse anymore. But I thank my father for that little toy he gave me.

A little piece that made a history. (from blog dated August 5, 2011

#57: from FB: when i saw the painting i almost wept..... Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:49 am
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from FB: when i saw the SC painting at Paete catholic church i almost wept.....

PHOTO OF SAN CRISTOBAL ALREADY POSTED ON THIS PAGES IS SHOWN...

CAMBIO: San Cristobal II of Paete, Laguna

San Cristobal / St. Christopher
Anonymous Philippine Painter
Paint on adobe wall fresco mural
Wooden frame modern addition
Church of St. James, the Apostle (Santiago Apostol)
Paete, Laguna

According to Jose (1991), this painting was formerly hidden behind the painting of the same subject by Dans seen in the previous picture.

The paint is applied directly on the adobe walls of the church. If you look closely at the painting, you can see the horizontal alignment of the mastic used to join the adobe blocks to each other.

This painting and its companion are two of the most important paintings in the history of Philippine art. It is a beautiful example of Cambio or the art of transformation.

Notice that St. Christopher has been transformed into a native Filipino (painted with "indio" features) sporting a bolo with a stylized handle made to look like a sword scabbard.

Also notice the presence of a Philippine nipa hut tucked into the hillock in the distance.

Also, note that he seems to be clutching a coconut tree. Only the image of the nino remains vaguely westernized!

When I saw this painting, and its companion, in the Church at Paete I almost wept! The painting is in a deteriorating state of condition and needs to be restored before the painting is lost altogether.

References: Jose, R. T. (1991). Simbahan: Church art in colonial Philippines 1565 - 1898. Manila (Makati): Ayala Museum.

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1. Apo Lakay (22 months ago | reply)

As an aside, someone told me that this painting of St. Christopher is really quite contemporary. He is actually wearing blue stone washed Levis jeans cuffed up to the knees! How very 90s, no?!

2. bleak! (22 months ago | reply)

It is interesting that the hermit's hut, which is always present in most st. Christoper paintings, has been turned into a bahay kubo

3. rlr224, oar (22 months ago | reply)

this is indeed a very good example of a combination of filipino and western influence.

this is the older painting. and my belief is that this painting was covered with that of Dans because it was too "asian".

remember a spanish offcial named sinibaldo de mas wrote 2 centuries ago "the filipinos say that all saints are spanish, since the patrons of their churches are always of this class.

they would have no veneration for a saint with flat nose and the physiognomy of a filipino."...and san cristopher is depicted here as indio. now whose choice was it to cover this original painting...the spanish friars or the filipino faithful themselves?

4. Apo Lakay (22 months ago | reply)

WOW.. way to cut to the quick, Fr. Rommel!! That is exactly the $64,000 question! I never even thought of that question but now that you've raised it, I am totally intrigued.

I wonder if anyone in Paete would know the history of these two paintings?

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6. Apo Lakay (22 months ago | reply)

Thanks for the fave, Joey!!

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8. Elmer I. Nocheseda ng Pateros (17 months ago | reply)

Hi, I'm an admin for a group called PINOY ARTISTRY, and we'd love to have this added to the group!

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#58: St Christopher Carrying the Christ Child, by Hieronymus Bosc Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:17 am
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Martyr
Born Canaan (Western accounts) or Marmarica (Eastern accounts)
Died c. 251
Asia Minor
Honored in Anglicanism
Eastern Orthodoxy
Lutheranism
Oriental Orthodoxy
Roman Catholicism
Feast 25 July ( since 1967 : 21 august ) (West), 9 May (East)

Attributes tree, branch, as a giant or ogre, carrying Jesus, spear, shield, as a dog-headed man.

Patronage bachelors, transportation (drivers, sailors, etc.), travelling (especially for long journeys), storms, Brunswick, Saint Christopher's Island (Saint Kitts), Island Rab, Vilnius, epilepsy, gardeners, holy death, toothache

Christopher is the patron saint of many places, including: Baden, Germany; Barga, Italy; Brunswick, Germany; Mecklenburg, Germany; Rab, Croatia; Roermond, The Netherlands; Saint Christopher's Island (Saint Kitts); Toses in Catalonia, Spain; Mondim de Basto, Portugal; Agrinion, Greece; Vilnius, Lithuania; Riga, Latvia; Havana, Cuba;

and Paete, Laguna, Philippines.

Depictions in art
Because Christopher offered protection to travelers and against sudden death, many churches placed images or statues of him, usually opposite the south door, so he could be easily seen.[

He is usually depicted as a giant of a man, with a child on his shoulder and a staff in one hand.

In England, there are more wall paintings of Christopher than of any other saint; in 1904, Mrs. Collier, writing for the British Archaeological Association, reported 183 paintings, statues, and other representations of the saint, outnumbering all others except for the Virgin Mary.

#59: We are anticipating and looking forward for Launching of SSC Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:05 am
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joven and SSC group... almost time for the launching of your Sagip San Cristobal ..... we want to know all about the project, where it is now? what your problems are? no one can act or help you without knowing all facts and figures about this big project!

sowhat's up?
dada lee Idea

#60:  Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 2:16 pm
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San Cristobal Painting

St. James the Apostle Church
Paete, Laguna
June 12, 2011

*One of the oldest paintings in the Philippines could be found at the St. James the Apostle Church. If you could still remember the horror film Shake Rattle and Roll 6, this painting was featured during the scene at the Paete church where they were discussing about the myth of San Cristobal. This painting needs to undergo restoration. The latter is being infested with termites. According to one church caretakers, there has been initiatives in restoring this painting with the help of the churh's funds and international organization.
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Apo Lakay (6 weeks ago)

It's not just infested with termites, there is also a rather large hole on the side caused by a parishioner backing her umbrella into the painting. It is crying out for restoration!


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#61: Sagip San Cristobal: MAHALAGANG PAANYAYApo sa lahat! Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 10:15 am
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From: Joven Cajipe:
TO ALL INTERESTED PAETENOS, IF YOU WANT TO SHARE YOUR TIME PLEASE JOIN US IN OUR PROJECT SAGIP SAN KRISTOBAL. SA MGA NAG NANAIS NA MKI LAHOK MAG KAKARON NG GENERAL ASSEMBLY SA ATING SIMBAHAN AUGUST 18, 2011. AFTER 6PM MASS. INAASAHAN PO KAYONG LAHAT NA MAY MALAKING MALASAKIT SA ATING HIGANTENG PINTA NG SIMBAHAN.

SALAMAT PO!


gumagalang at nagaanyaya sa lahat na makakatulong sa Sagip San Cristobal project,
FB nickname: Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe

#62: this is for Joven and his group: from dadalee Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:47 am
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joven, this is what i just posted at the Paete Mailing List. i am posting it here since i think it is only RJ Balandra who is a member of the List in your group: here goes...

Introduction:
A group of mga BatangPaete led by Mr. Joven Cajipe who is
the current laity in-charge of our Parokya ng Paete Catholic
church, ay nagpush ng isang initiative upang ituloy
ang preservation of the San Cristobal mural on the wall of
our town’s catholic church na nabubulok na at kailangan na
ang action to save it asap. I am crossposting here some
of the info from their communications via the social media
Facebok, the group page is called Sagip San Cristobal.

the Launching of the group’s project is set for August 27.
it will be, if I understood it correctly, in the form of isang
public programa in Paete which will be video clipped to serve as
the promotional campaign to start the fundraising. (anyone
who knows more about this launching please correct me and
feel free to edit me here).

I am helping them disseminate announcements and promotions
here, at Facebook and at Usap Forum for their forthcoming
fund-raising goal.

sa ngayon po ay nagkakaroon ang mga bata natin na volunteers
ng obstacle, dahil ang kaunting pondo po na nareceived nila ay nagamit sa
pagbabakod sa mural sa simbahan. hindi nila maumpisahan implement
yong Launching program dahil wala pang pondo uli for the Launching sa
pangangailangan nila ng mga stage props, lighting effects, at iba pang
stage presentation needs. therefore:

in thisn message from me, tumatawag po ang mga kabataan sa Sagip
San Cristobal FB Group, sa lahat na nasa Paete ngayon, as I speak, to
please attend a General Assembly gaganapin sa ating simbahan after the 6 pm
mass this coming Thursday, August 18.

kailangan po ng mga bata ang advise, suggestions, as well as artistic,
physical and financial help para ma-push through nila itong Sagip Cristobal
Programme which I hope will be video-clipped to be used as the major
promotion and information video in the planned global fund raising.

I have asked Joven Cajipe to post for transparency latest update
on the project an most importantly the documented proposals,
how much the preservation work itself will cost, etc.
I hope he can do this after their general meeting this Thursday.

I have crossposted all the documents and communications from the
wall of Sagip San Cristobal FB Group and you will all find them
at Usap ‘Sagip San Cristobal’ Forum:

eto na po and link: http://www.paete.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11233

3 pages na po ang haba doon because of my updates.... sorry po at this is a
warning na puro mukha ko ang ngingiti sa inyo doon sa forum... dahil I was
posting URL and Images links hindi pwede na hindin ako maglogin, kaya hindi
macancel yong forum picture ko. sawang sawa na nga ako sa mukha ko. bai!

sa Facebook lang ang mga bata mas convenient at practical mag communicate
dahil sa kawalan po nila ng mga sariling computers at wala rin silang ISP providers
for emails, kaya sa Cloud po ng Internet lang sila nakakapag announce, nagge-
get-together and nagcommunicate. I committed myself to them to be their bridge
covering both real world and the Internet planet, so to speak.

eto po ang example resulta ng initiative nila na makikita ang entirety sa Usap
forum in the above link:

from JovenCajipe at FB:
WELCOME PO SA GRP NG SAGIP SAN KRISTOBAL. ANG UNYO PONG PAG SALI
AY KATUMBAS NG PAG TULONG AT PAKIKIBAHAGI SA PROYEKTONG ITO SA
KAHIT ANONG PARAAN. PINANSIYAL O SA PAMAMAGITAN NG PAG PROMOTE
AT PAG PAPALAGANAP NG IMPORMASYON HINGGIL DITO. SALAMAT PO SA
INYONG LAHAT.
June 23 at 9:43pm

Arthur Dans Dela Cerna Sagip San Cristobal Project:
Ang pangunahing Goal po ng project ay isaayos at ibalik sa dating anyo at
kalagayan ang Malaking pinta ng San Cristobal sa simbahan ng Paete, dahil
sa tanda at laki ng pinta, kinakailangan po ng tamang pag-aaral ...at
hakbang, kaugnay nito ang paglikom ng pondo para isakatuparan ang plano.

MGA HAKBANG SA PAG SASA-AYOS NG PINTA:
1. Pag likom ng Pondong panimula, para sa pag aaral ng Pinta
2. Pag aaral at Pag susuri sa Pinta (Documentation and Diagnostic)
3. Paglikom ng Pondo para sa Total Restoration
4. Total Restoration
5. PreventionSee More
June 24 at 5:27am

“from: Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe (Joven Cajipe c/o Parokya ng Paete Catholic Church)
may magandang balita na received na po ng NCCA ang inquiries natin regarding sa san kristobal
painting after several months month of may pa po ako nag email sa kanila kasabay ng email ko sa
National Historical Commission... tumawag sa akin ang NCCA ngayun lang bibisita sila sa church
to visit the painting for assessment and documentations. schedule daw next wk depende sa availability
ng conservators. need nating i prepare ang scafolding daw...

yung NHC under Engnr. Larry Cruz after po ng visitation nila ay wala paring pinapadalang recomendation.
ang NCCA naman po ang mag asess at hintay po ulit ng recomendation ang maganda dito d lang sila technical
assitance pwede din daw sila ang mag finance pero dapat daw po ang LGU ang ka MOA nila...

magandang balita po yun para sa atin. wait ko pa po ang confirmation ng visit nila thru FB email.

Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 3:15 pm Post subject: Sagipga bata ay m San Cristobal:
MAHALAGANG PAANYAYApo sa lahat! From: Joven Cajipe:
TO ALL INTERESTED PAETENOS, IF YOU WANT TO SHARE YOUR TIME
PLEASE JOIN US IN OUR PROJECT SAGIP SAN KRISTOBAL. SA MGA NAG
NANAIS NA MKI LAHOK MAG KAKARON NG GENERAL ASSEMBLY SA
ATING SIMBAHAN AUGUST 18, 2011. AFTER 6PM MASS. INAASAHAN PO
KAYONG LAHAT NA MAY MALAKING MALASAKIT SA ATING HIGANTENG
PINTA NG SIMBAHAN.

Taga Paete ka kung alam mo ang Kasaysayan ng ating bayan at pinag mamalaking
Lumang simbahan at ang mga Lihim nito. kung Hindi mo pa alam. Dumalo lamang ng
Gen Assembly sa Thursday 7pm sandaling oras subalit makabuluhan. walng sinusino
basta taga paete at may malaskit sa ating sining at kasaysayan ika ay tinatawagan...
tara na bai at tayo'y mag tulungan.

sabi ni joven:
Lubos po ang pasasalamat sa mga nag abot ng tulong para sa sagip
san kristobal. kay Maam Ma Cristina Mendoza Agbada at kay Ms.
Jean Almeda Mizel. Patuloy parin po ang mga pag plaplano at hakbangin
para sa kaganapan ng proyektong ito. maraming salamat po muli.

SALAMAT PO!


gumagalang at nagaanyaya sa lahat na makakatulong sa Sagip San Cristobal project,
Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe

ang mga BatangPaete on the Sagip San Cristobal FB group who initiated this project
and who needs help right now are:

Sagip San Cristobal Project Point Persons .
PHCHC adviser and Sagip San Cristobal

Project Over-all Coordinator:
John Joven Cajipe

PHCHC Acting Chairman:
Bernard Cadawas

Marketing Committee Head:
Rene James Balandra Jr.

Members:
Mariel Dalay
Rochelle Nama

Campaigns Committee Head:
Nikko Sunga

Members:
Maynard Escalona

Research, Development and Documentation Committee Head:
Arthur Dela Cerna

Members:
Renzo Muega

Note: Paedit na lang PHCHC dun sa mga wala pa, pakilagay na
lang yung iba pang committee members sa proper committees nila.

join us at:
http://alturl.com/jwubx

Here is again the link to the Sagip San Cristobal Usap Forum

http://www.paete.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11233

please join us, please help us! tulungan natin itong mga bata na
nagpupursigi para for the preservation of our Paete heritage!
the painter of San Cristobal was Jose Luciano Dans, a Paetenian
artisan in the 1900s. before pa the era of the world famous icon
Dolorosa by Dada Madrinan na sarili nating atin also.
tlee

#63: Information on Sending Remittance Author: fredmcLocation: Fred Cagayat PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:01 pm
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Joven & Officers of Sagip San Cristobal,

For the benefit of those who are interested in helping out, pakibigay lang ang info sa:

1. Where to send the remittance
2. Who to send to (Name)
3. If a check/money order, to whom payable.

Thank you.

FredMC

#64: Sagip san Kristobal Author: joven cajipe PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:57 pm
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Maraming salamat po sa inyong pag bibigy sa amin ng moral support upang ipag patuloy ang mga hangarin ng ating proyektong Sagip San Kristobal.

Ikina lulungkot po namin na matapos kming bisitahin ng National Historical Commission of the Philippines ay hindi na po ulit sila nag pahiwatig ng kahit anong update. pero ayon po sa kanila wala silang maibibigay na kahit anong financil na tulong kundi technical sup[port laman na mag lalaman ng mga dapat gawin at mga materiales at gastusin na gagamitin sa ating Pinta ng San Kristobal. Matapos po niyon ay dapat tayo daw po ang mag hahanap ng conservators na syang gagawa sa nasisirang Pinta. Marami pong conservators ng nag papahiwatig at nais na sila ang trumabaho subalit dahil po tayo ay nasa ilalim ng NHCP ay dapat daw pong aprobahan muna ng NHCP kung ano at sino ang gagawa sa higanteng Pinta ng ating Bayan.

matapos po na sila ay dumalaw ang NHCP at makita nilang karamihan po sa aming mga kasapi ay mga kabataan tila yata sila ay nagulay at nag sabi kung wala daw bang ibang mas nkakatanda na dapat nilang pakipag ugnayan? simula po noon ay sunod sunod narin po ang aking/aming gawain sa Parokya bilang pangulo ng Pastoral Council at nawalan po ako ng pag gabay sa mga kabataang ito na ngayon po ay pinga hihinaan ng loob.

may mga donasyon pong dumating na hindi aabot ng Limng Libong Piso. pero bilang paunang hakbang upang lalong iwasan ang mabilis na pag kasira ng ating Higanteng Pinta ay nag lagay po kami ng bakod sa lahat ng Pinta sa ating simbahan at umabot po ng limang libong piso ang nagastos dito.

sa ngayon po ay wala po kaming alam na paraan kung paano tatanggapin ang mga donasyon liban sa pag papadala nito sa amin personal man po oh pera padala na kana address sa opisina ng ating parokya at naka care of po sa akin. pero mas mainam po kung mag kakaroon kmi ng bank accnt para doon po i deretso ang mga tulong pinansyal subalit iasa parin pong suliranin ang magiging initial na pondo upang makapag bukas ng bank account.

sa ngayon po ay nag patawag po kami ng isang General assembly sa huwebes sa mga taga paeteng bukas ang puso at may interes na tumulong sa proyektong ito.

ang programa po sa huwebes ay ang pag papakilala sa kahalagahan ng higanteng pinta ang sa proyekto mula po doon malalaman namin ang susunod na hakbangin.

sa akin pong palagay at suhestiyon siguro po itao ay magiging mas maayus kung mayroon isang matibay na grupo at may kredibilidad ang syang mag hahawak ng pondo at pag naipon na po ito at may roon ng dapat hakbang na nangangailangan ng pera ay tsaka lamang ito ipag kaloob par sa mga gastusin.

mas mainam po kung ito po ay pangungunahan ng Paetenians na may malaking kredibilidad at maaring pasinayaan o kaya naman ay itampok sa darating na balik Paete at makita ng lahat ng ating mga kababayan sa ibayaong dagat at dito sa atin ang bunga ng ating pag tutulungan at pag titiwalaan.

salamat po.

Bro. John Joven S. Cajipe
Taga-pamahala
PPC-president

#65:  Author: Guest PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:20 am
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Magandang araw po sa lahat, mayroon po akong isang suggestion,bakit hindi po nating imbitahan ang ilang kilalang mga artist sa larangan ng pagpinta? Masasabi ko po na sila ay mga dalubhasa na sa larangan ng pag pinta at nagtamo ng rin ng karangalan sa lokal at international. To name a few : Araceli Dans, Fred Baldemor,Manuel Baldemor.

Maraming Salamat po!

#66: excellent, ultimate idea..... Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:44 pm
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thank you Guest, this is a brilliant idea, totally cool suggestion.... nangangailangan ang mga FB SagipSC group ng mga more adult members with great ideas like you to assist them in their dakilang venture, puede bang sumali ka actively with the group as they need ideas like this and someon like you. please po! thank you.
God bless for now,
tlee

#67: update fro FB wall of John Joven Cajipe Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:45 pm
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Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe posted in Sagip San Cristobal.
Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe 10:35pm Aug 14

ANG GAGANAPIN PONG GENERAL ASSEMBLY PARA SA SAGIP SAN KRISTOBAL PROJECT SA DARATING NA HUWEBES AY TATALAKAY SA MAKULAY NA KASAYSYAN NG ATING BAYAN AT SINING NA LAGING NA NGUNGUNA SAAN MANG SULOK NA MUS\NDO. TAYO PO AY MAG UUSAP USAP KUNG PAANO NATIN MAPAPANATILI ANG SINING NA ITO NA NA NGANGANIB NG MAG LAHO DAHIL SA KAPABAYAAN NATIN SA PAMAMAGITAN NG HINDI PAG ALAM SA KAHALAGAHAN NITO. ITO PO AY MAG PAPAKITA NG ATING TUNAY NA PAGIGING PAETENOS. MAG KITA KITA PO TAYO SA ATING SIMBAHAN NG PAETE AT TUKLASIN ANG GANDA AT HIWAGA NITO....

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#68: from FB Joven's wall... Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:50 pm
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Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe posted in Sagip San Cristobal.
Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe 10:59pm Aug 14

Maraming salamat po sa inyong pag bibigy sa amin ng moral support upang ipag patuloy ang mga hangarin ng ating proyektong Sagip San Kristobal.

Ikina lulungkot po namin na matapos kming bisitahin ng National Historical Commission of the Philippines ay hindi na po ulit sila nag pahiwatig ng kahit anong update. pero ayon po sa kanila wala silang maibibigay na kahit anong financil na tulong kundi technical sup[port laman na mag lalaman ng mga dapat gawin at mga materiales at gastusin na gagamitin sa ating Pinta ng San Kristobal. Matapos po niyon ay dapat tayo daw po ang mag hahanap ng conservators na syang gagawa sa nasisirang Pinta. Marami pong conservators ng nag papahiwatig at nais na sila ang trumabaho subalit dahil po tayo ay nasa ilalim ng NHCP ay dapat daw pong aprobahan muna ng NHCP kung ano at sino ang gagawa sa higanteng Pinta ng ating Bayan.

matapos po na sila ay dumalaw ang NHCP at makita nilang karamihan po sa aming mga kasapi ay mga kabataan tila yata sila ay nagulay at nag sabi kung wala daw bang ibang mas nkakatanda na dapat nilang pakipag ugnayan? simula po noon ay sunod sunod narin po ang aking/aming gawain sa Parokya bilang pangulo ng Pastoral Council at nawalan po ako ng pag gabay sa mga kabataang ito na ngayon po ay pinga hihinaan ng loob.

may mga donasyon pong dumating na hindi aabot ng Limng Libong Piso. pero bilang paunang hakbang upang lalong iwasan ang mabilis na pag kasira ng ating Higanteng Pinta ay nag lagay po kami ng bakod sa lahat ng Pinta sa ating simbahan at umabot po ng limang libong piso ang nagastos dito.

sa ngayon po ay wala po kaming alam na paraan kung paano tatanggapin ang mga donasyon liban sa pag papadala nito sa amin personal man po oh pera padala na kana address sa opisina ng ating parokya at naka care of po sa akin. pero mas mainam po kung mag kakaroon kmi ng bank accnt para doon po i deretso ang mga tulong pinansyal subalit iasa parin pong suliranin ang magiging initial na pondo upang makapag bukas ng bank account.

sa ngayon po ay nag patawag po kami ng isang General assembly sa huwebes sa mga taga paeteng bukas ang puso at may interes na tumulong sa proyektong ito.

ang programa po sa huwebes ay ang pag papakilala sa kahalagahan ng higanteng pinta ang sa proyekto mula po doon malalaman namin ang susunod na hakbangin.

sa akin pong palagay at suhestiyon siguro po itao ay magiging mas maayus kung mayroon isang matibay na grupo at may kredibilidad ang syang mag hahawak ng pondo at pag naipon na po ito at may roon ng dapat hakbang na nangangailangan ng pera ay tsaka lamang ito ipag kaloob par sa mga gastusin.

mas mainam po kung ito po ay pangungunahan ng Paetenians na may malaking kredibilidad at maaring pasinayaan o kaya naman ay itampok sa darating na balik Paete at makita ng lahat ng ating mga kababayan sa ibayaong dagat at dito sa atin ang bunga ng ating pag tutulungan at pag titiwalaan.

salamat po.

Bro. John Joven S. Cajipe
Taga-pamahala
PPC-president

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Mga mahal kong mga kababayan sa Paete at sa Internet, please come now and join to help these kids.... let's make it a community labor of
love...... the FB group needs leaders! i know you are all here.....
it will be God's work we will all be doing. to help each other help these kids on this project
tlee
tlee

#69: isang araw na lang, Huwebes na, please come one and all.... Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:58 pm
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General Assembly
Sagip San Cristobal project
We need leaders to lead us to the right path
Magkitakita po tayo sa ating Simbahan after
the 6 pm mass... Thursday, August 18... marami sana
po tayong makarating...
panalangin po namin na kayang ituloy at matupad itong
Sagip San Cristobal na napakalaki at napakadakilang legacy
para sa ating bayan future generations to come.
FB SSC Group

Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe posted in Sagip San Cristobal.
Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe 6:27pm Aug 15

ilang araw nalang po at sasapit na ang araw ng pag kikita kita natin. na niniwala po kami na mas maraming dadating higit sa 50 na nag pahiwatig ng kanilang suporta. at sa mga hindi makaka atend dahil sa kanilang mabibigat na dahilan ay kayo po ay kaisa din namin. ipag bibigay alam po namin sa inyo ang kahihinatnan ng mga ma pag uusapan natin. salamat po at mag kita kita po tayong lahat.

salamat po....

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#70: Re: from FB Joven's wall... Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:14 pm
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leeq wrote:
Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe posted in Sagip San Cristobal.
Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe 10:59pm Aug 14

Maraming salamat po sa inyong pag bibigy sa amin ng moral support upang ipag patuloy ang mga hangarin ng ating proyektong Sagip San Kristobal.

Ikina lulungkot po namin na matapos kming bisitahin ng National Historical Commission of the Philippines ay hindi na po ulit sila nag pahiwatig ng kahit anong update. pero ayon po sa kanila wala silang maibibigay na kahit anong financil na tulong kundi technical sup[port laman na mag lalaman ng mga dapat gawin at mga materiales at gastusin na gagamitin sa ating Pinta ng San Kristobal. Matapos po niyon ay dapat tayo daw po ang mag hahanap ng conservators na syang gagawa sa nasisirang Pinta. Marami pong conservators ng nag papahiwatig at nais na sila ang trumabaho subalit dahil po tayo ay nasa ilalim ng NHCP ay dapat daw pong aprobahan muna ng NHCP kung ano at sino ang gagawa sa higanteng Pinta ng ating Bayan.

matapos po na sila ay dumalaw ang NHCP at makita nilang karamihan po sa aming mga kasapi ay mga kabataan tila yata sila ay nagulay at nag sabi kung wala daw bang ibang mas nkakatanda na dapat nilang pakipag ugnayan? simula po noon ay sunod sunod narin po ang aking/aming gawain sa Parokya bilang pangulo ng Pastoral Council at nawalan po ako ng pag gabay sa mga kabataang ito na ngayon po ay pinga hihinaan ng loob.

may mga donasyon pong dumating na hindi aabot ng Limng Libong Piso. pero bilang paunang hakbang upang lalong iwasan ang mabilis na pag kasira ng ating Higanteng Pinta ay nag lagay po kami ng bakod sa lahat ng Pinta sa ating simbahan at umabot po ng limang libong piso ang nagastos dito.

sa ngayon po ay wala po kaming alam na paraan kung paano tatanggapin ang mga donasyon liban sa pag papadala nito sa amin personal man po oh pera padala na kana address sa opisina ng ating parokya at naka care of po sa akin. pero mas mainam po kung mag kakaroon kmi ng bank accnt para doon po i deretso ang mga tulong pinansyal subalit iasa parin pong suliranin ang magiging initial na pondo upang makapag bukas ng bank account.

sa ngayon po ay nag patawag po kami ng isang General assembly sa huwebes sa mga taga paeteng bukas ang puso at may interes na tumulong sa proyektong ito.

ang programa po sa huwebes ay ang pag papakilala sa kahalagahan ng higanteng pinta ang sa proyekto mula po doon malalaman namin ang susunod na hakbangin.

sa akin pong palagay at suhestiyon siguro po itao ay magiging mas maayus kung mayroon isang matibay na grupo at may kredibilidad ang syang mag hahawak ng pondo at pag naipon na po ito at may roon ng dapat hakbang na nangangailangan ng pera ay tsaka lamang ito ipag kaloob par sa mga gastusin.

mas mainam po kung ito po ay pangungunahan ng Paetenians na may malaking kredibilidad at maaring pasinayaan o kaya naman ay itampok sa darating na balik Paete at makita ng lahat ng ating mga kababayan sa ibayaong dagat at dito sa atin ang bunga ng ating pag tutulungan at pag titiwalaan.

salamat po.

Bro. John Joven S. Cajipe
Taga-pamahala
PPC-president

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Mga mahal kong mga kababayan sa Paete at sa Internet, please come now and join to help these kids.... let's make it a community labor of
love...... the FB group needs leaders! i know you are all here.....
it will be God's work we will all be doing. to help each other help these kids on this project
tlee
tlee


eto po si Joven in action:

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#71: Re: update fro FB wall of John Joven Cajipe Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:19 pm
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eto po uli si Joven Cajipe
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leeq wrote:
Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe posted in Sagip San Cristobal.
Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe 10:35pm Aug 14

ANG GAGANAPIN PONG GENERAL ASSEMBLY PARA SA SAGIP SAN KRISTOBAL PROJECT SA DARATING NA HUWEBES AY TATALAKAY SA MAKULAY NA KASAYSYAN NG ATING BAYAN AT SINING NA LAGING NA NGUNGUNA SAAN MANG SULOK NA MUS\NDO. TAYO PO AY MAG UUSAP USAP KUNG PAANO NATIN MAPAPANATILI ANG SINING NA ITO NA NA NGANGANIB NG MAG LAHO DAHIL SA KAPABAYAAN NATIN SA PAMAMAGITAN NG HINDI PAG ALAM SA KAHALAGAHAN NITO. ITO PO AY MAG PAPAKITA NG ATING TUNAY NA PAGIGING PAETENOS. MAG KITA KITA PO TAYO SA ATING SIMBAHAN NG PAETE AT TUKLASIN ANG GANDA AT HIWAGA NITO....

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#72:  Author: joven cajipe PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:58 am
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Maraming salamat po sa inyong suhestiyon tungkol sa mga Paete Artist na kilala sa buong bansa. alam po namin na malaki ang kanilang maitutulong. pero hindi po namin alam kung paano po sila ma kokontak. kung meron po sana sa inyong may access or contact sa mga artist na inyong binanggit ay paki tulungan po kami na maipaabot sa kanila ang ating proyekto.

Maraming salamat po ulit. sa huwebes po natin malalaman ang lahat ng mga dapat nating gawin sana po ay tayo'y mag karoon ng magandang resulta hinggil dito.


salamat po.

dada lee salamat po sa picture. kasama ko po jan c fr. jojo.

bro. Joven

#73:  Author: joven cajipe PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:06 am
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Dear Sir Fred,

Tungkol po sa inyong katanungan maari nyo pong ipadala ang inyong tulong sa opisina ng ating Parokya. St. James The Apostle Parish A. Roces St. Paete, Laguna c/o Bro. John Joven S. Cajipe (PPC President) and Bro. Florentino Juarez (Parish Temporalities)

Salamat Po.

Bro. Joven Cajipe

#74: to Bro Joven: I will be with you in spirit and prayers .... Author: dada lee quesada PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:12 am
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on Thursday evening. God will guide you and your group and God will bless abundantly all those who will come to byou from the bottom
of their kind hearts my prayers!
neverending God's blessing to us all abide always,
dada lee

#75: crosspost from Sagip group Facebook Wall Author: lee quesada PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:56 am
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Marvin Pingol
Suggstion: For a while, If we dont have enough funds yet for the restoration" Why not make a reproduction pieces of the Murals' with Latex paints as a medium, it will look real copy in an innexpensive way.. Then store the Originals to a better place with fine temperature, or an aircondition office or a home, it will delay the decay, and when time comes when were capable of restoring it we can bring it back to its place again.
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Joel Aldor Plausible suggestion. That's what San Agustin Museum in Intramuros does anyway. Ang tanong ay kung saan itatago, papano itatago at papaano ibababa. At this point, bringing down such a big yet decaying structure is very, very tough. You have to use a crane and a lot of scaffolding and support, or else the wooden planks will just shatter to smithereens with just a small shake. Some points to consider.
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Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe klangan po natin ng expert at ng masusuing pag aaral hinggil dito. kung kayo po ay makaka dalo sa thursday para ilahad ang inyong suhestiyon . salamat po!
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Joel Aldor I'll try to free my sked so I can come. I can assist people with technical questions about the restoration process.
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Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe ok po. salamat po...
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Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe paki dala po yung slide presentation natin noon sa artist guild paki amend nalang po nung mga changes...
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Joel Aldor Ok, will do. But I don't have a projector. Meron ba kayong mahihiraman?
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Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe manghihiram nlang po...
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Joel Aldor Ok. Please do. Para maraming taong makakakita ng slide presentation ko. Thanks.
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dada lee lked all these thread....

#76: from Sagip FB wall update Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:48 pm
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Marvin Pingol
Suggstion: For a while, If we dont have enough funds yet for the restoration" Why not make a reproduction pieces of the Murals' with Latex paints as a medium, it will look real copy in an innexpensive way.. Then store the Originals to a better place with fine temperature, or an aircondition office or a home
, it will delay the decay, and when time comes when were capable of restoring it we can bring it back to its place again.
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Joel Aldor Plausible suggestion. That's what San Agustin Museum in Intramuros does anyway. Ang tanong ay kung saan itatago, papano itatago at papaano ibababa. At this point, bringing down such a big yet decaying structure is very, very tough. You have to use a crane and a lot of scaffolding and support, or else the wooden planks will just shatter to smithereens with just a small shake. Some points to consider.
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Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe klangan po natin ng expert at ng masusuing pag aaral hinggil dito. kung kayo po ay makaka dalo sa thursday para ilahad ang inyong suhestiyon . salamat po!
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Joel Aldor I'll try to free my sked so I can come. I can assist people with technical questions about the restoration process.
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Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe ok po. salamat po...
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Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe paki dala po yung slide presentation natin noon sa artist guild paki amend nalang po nung mga changes...
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Joel Aldor Ok, will do. But I don't have a projector. Meron ba kayong mahihiraman?
August 16 at 1:46am · Like
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#77: waiting for result report of General Assembly 2 weeks ago:) Author: dada lee PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 6:06 am
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hi, fellas,
not rushing you or anything alam ko busy kayo sa day's work and medyo limited ang Internet access lalo na at panahon ng hurricane
all over the planet.... hoping lang to hear results from the General Assembly held last August 17, nakarating baga si Mr. Aldor? waiting and praying for good news.
dada lee

#78: KUMUSTA NA ..... Author: DADA LEE PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:44 am
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...ang mga nakaraang pangyayari.... meron bagang resulta ang General
Assembly held a few weeks ago?

nangungumusta lang!
dada lee

#79:  Author: joven cajipe PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 5:48 pm
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MAGANDANG ARAW PO SA LAHAT. KUMUSTA NA PO. PASENSYA NA PO AT MEJO NAWALA SA SIRKULASYON. NAG EMAIL N PO SA AKIN ANG NATIONAL HISTORICAL COMMISSION AT MERON NA PONG RECOMENDATION GALING SA KANILA. SANA PO MAG SIMULA NA PO TAYO DAHIL DUMATING N PO ANG HINIHINTAY NATING LAHAT ANG SAGOT SA LAHAT NG MGA TANONG ANO ANG GAGAWIN AT MAG KANO ANG GUGULIN. MAG HIHINTAY PO KMI NG INYONG KOMENTO HINGGIL DITO. SALAMAT PO.


NATIONAL HISTORICAL COMMISSION OF THE PHILIPPINES
Materials Research Conservation Division



05 September 2011


BRO. JOVEN CAJIPE
St. James the Apostle Parish
Paete, Laguna


Dear Bro. Cajipe:

In response to your email letter, we are pleased to submit the following detailed information and the budget requirement for the conservation, restoration and mounting of the four (4) mural paintings as indicated below:


I. Identification:

Subject Mural painting
Mural painting Mural painting Mural painting
Title San Cristobal San Cristobal Langit Lupa at Impiyerno Juicio Final (St. Francis & Salvation of Soul)
Artist Jose Luciano Dans Jose Luciano Dans Jose Luciano Dans Unknown
Technique Pigment on lime plaster Wood Panel Wood Panel Wood Panel

Dimension Approx. 3.5m x 5m Approx. 3.5m x 5m Approx. 3.5m x 5m Approx. 3.5m x 5m
Owner St. James the Apostle Parish
St. James the Apostle Parish
St. James the Apostle Parish
St. James the Apostle Parish

Photo
Condition The original ground, pigment, and plaster support of the painting are in state of powdering, with considerable amount of disintegrations and visible losses on the lower portions. Water stain and surface dirt are also apparent mainly due to uncontrolled environment. The original ground, pigment, and wood panel support exhibit enormous amount of disintegrations and losses on the lower portions. Water stain and surface dirt are also apparent mainly due to uncontrolled environment.


The original pigment colors have already darkened due to water stain and surface dirt. There are visible paint losses mostly concentrated in the frame. Uncontrolled environment contributed to the chromatic alteration resulting in image distortion.


The original pigment colors have already darkened due to water stain and surface dirt. There are visible paint losses mostly concentrated in the frame. Uncontrolled environment contributed to the chromatic alteration resulting in image distortion.



II. Scope of Work:
a. Detailed photo and graphic documentation
b. Solubility Test
c. Mechanical and chemical cleaning
d. Painting consolidation
e. Application of ground and wood fillers
f. Retouching and application of surface coating
g. Introduction of protective barrier


III. Cost Per Painting Amount

a. Personnel
1 – Chief conservator @ P 30,000.00/mo Php 360,000.00
Manages the conservation and conservation work
2 – Conservator-restorer @ P 25,000.00/pax/mo 600,000.00
In charge of the technical direction of the work
2 – Conservation assistant @ P 15,000.00/pax/mo 360,000.00
Execute specific tasks under the supervision of
conservator-restorer
1 – Documentalist @ P 10,000.00/mo 120,000.00
Perform accurate pictorial record before, during,
and after restoration work
2 – Emergency laborers @ P 650.00/pax/day x 200 days 260,000.00
Carry out supplementary tasks and services
Sub - total Php 1,700,000.00

b. Conservation chemicals and supplies Php 327,081.00

c. Preventive maintenance Php 100,000.00
Sub - total Php 2,127,081.00
d. Contingency (7.5%) Php 159,531.00

Total Cost Per Painting Php 2,286,612.00
Say Php 2,300,000.00

Overall Cost Php 9,200,000.00
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IV. Duration: 12 months

V. Principle of Conservation of Work
Good preservation of mural paintings depends basically on the good conservation and maintenance of the building as a whole. It would be useless to attempt to restore the painting and treat the effects of deterioration without first eliminating its causes. In nearly every case deterioration is presumably caused by variations in temperature and humidity, and human intervention which is a result from the degree of protection the owner of the building affords from these causes (P. Mora, et al, Conservation of Wall Paintings, p. 7, Butterworths).

Thank you and our warmest regards.

Very truly yours,

(Sgd) Engr. Larry Cruz In-charge

#80: from Joven Cajipe's FB wall...we have an update Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 6:20 pm
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Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe
MAGANDANG ARAW PO SA LAHAT. KUMUSTA NA PO. PASENSYA NA PO AT MEJO NAWALA SA SIRKULASYON. NAG EMAIL N PO SA AKIN ANG NATIONAL HISTORICAL COMMISSION AT MERON NA PONG RECOMENDATION GALING SA KANILA. SANA PO MAG SIMULA NA PO TAYO DAHIL DUMATING N PO ANG HINIHINTAY NATING LAHAT ANG SAGOT SA LAHAT NG MGA TANONG ANO ANG GAGAWIN AT MAG KANO ANG GUGULIN. MAG HIHINTAY PO KMI NG INYONG KOMENTO HINGGIL DITO. SALAMAT PO.

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Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe KUNG MAPAPANSIN NYO PO ISINAMA NG NHC ANG LAHAT NG PAINTING SA RESTOATION. MAKIKITA DIN PO NATIN KUNG MAGKANO ANG MAGAGASTOS PARA LANG DUN SA SAN KRISTOBAL NA KAILANGAN NG IMMEDIATE ACTION.
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#81: IMPORTANT Announcement to ALL from sagip san cristobal Author: tlee PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:28 am
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from Bro Joven Cajipe; IMPORTANT ANNOUCEMENT TO ALL!
(copy and pasted from Facebook email)

sa sunday po 1pm sa parish hall ng santiago apostol parish church paete, laguna ay may gaganaping pulong hinggil sa nasabing proyekto. tatalakayin po natin ang mga dapat nating gawin ang lahat po ay inaanyayahan. salamat po. magkitakita po tayo....

PRAYERS and GOOD LUCK po sa inyong lahat!
dada lee

#82: bigyan pansin Author: sakzez PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:04 am
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Magandang umaga po sa lahat!
Nais ko lang po na magbigay nang kaunting opinyon dahil kaisa ninyo ako sa magandang layunin.
Di po baga dapat muna nating bigyan pansin yong Section V - PRINCIPLE OF CONSERVATION OF WORK.
salamat po,
sakzez

#83:  Author: joven cajipe PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:26 am
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sir,

meron na po kaming bakod para maiwasan ang human intervention sa painting. ang wala nalang po ay to eliminate the pests. kya po inaasahan po namin ang pag dalo nyo sa meeting upang matalakay natin ang tungkol sa pintang ito. salamat po.

joven cajipe

#84: UPDATE FROM SAGIP SAN CRISTOBAL FB WALL(PLS NOTE DATES) Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:22 am
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from Arthur dela Cerna's FB wall and others:
September 23[/b], bumisita ang mga taga national museum.. re: gawing national cultural treasure ang mga murals at retablos ng simbahan



From [b]Francis Eugene Fadul Adefuin
Pag-aralan muna maigi.
about an hour ago · Unlike · 1 person


from katherine cadayona cadapanPast 1pm na po ako nakarating ng Paete, sobra kasi ang traffic. Paki-feed na lang po kung anuman po ang napag-usapan sa meeting, Bro. Joven . . .
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You and Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe like this.
sa sunday po 1pm sa parish hall ng santiago apostol parish church paete, laguna ay may gaganaping pulong hinggil sa nasabing proyekto. tatalakayin po natin ang mga dapat nating gawin ang lahat po ay inaanyayahan. salamat po. magkitakita po tayo....

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Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe may patawag meeting po c mayor cadayona nxt friday Kasma ang director ng national museum I postponed po ntin ang meeting mmya at HINTayin ang meeting ke mayor. salamat po.
September 17 at 7:15pm via mobile · Like · 1 person.


Joel Aldor Yan pupunta na talaga ako jan. Smile
September 17 at 7:15pm · Like.

Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe MAGANDANG ARAW PO SA LAHAT. KUMUSTA NA PO. PASENSYA NA PO AT MEJO NAWALA SA SIRKULASYON. NAG EMAIL N PO SA AKIN ANG NATIONAL HISTORICAL COMMISSION AT MERON NA PONG RECOMENDATION GALING SA KANILA. SANA PO MAG SIMULA NA PO TAYO DAHIL DUMATING N PO ANG HINIHINTAY NATING LAHAT ANG SAGOT SA LAHAT NG MGA TANONG ANO ANG GAGAWIN AT MAG KANO ANG GUGULIN. MAG HIHINTAY PO KMI NG INYONG KOMENTO HINGGIL DITO. SALAMAT PO.
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Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe athe kathy paki txt nalano po ako kung kelan available ang mga makakameeitng natin. tnx po.
September 12 at 2:15am · Like.

Katherine Cadayona Cadapan ‎@Joven; kailangan na nga talaga nating mag-meeting asap, okay lang kaya this Sunday? Say 2pm? Pero okay lang naman sa akin kahit weekdays, makaka-punta naman ako ng Laguna anytime.
September 12 at 2:17am · Like · 1 person.

Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe cge po sunday. sana po mka atend yung mga tao na pede nating maka tulong. san po?
September 12 at 2:19am · Like.

Katherine Cadayona Cadapan I'll let you know ka'gad pag may naka-usap na ako sa kanila...
September 12 at 2:20am · Like.

Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe ok po tnx po...
September 12 at 2:20am · Like.

Arthur Dans Dela Cerna kuya suggest lang yung mismong letter ng NHCP palakihan natin tapos ilagay din natin sa tabi nung painting, para maging transparent sa mga taon, hindi naman nag ffb lalo na yung mga matatanda..
September 12 at 7:05am · Like.

Joel Aldor Not after the proposals and recommendations have been done after the meeting. Smile
September 12 at 7:07am · Like.

Arthur Dans Dela Cerna hindi naman po yun mismo ang gagawin dba? para lang po makita ng mga tao na may mga updates..
September 12 at 7:07am · Like.

Joel Aldor We haven't got the consensus of the people concerned yet. It's best to agree on something first before any dissemination of information is done.
September 12 at 7:09am · Like · 1 person.

Arthur Dans Dela Cerna ok wala na po ako sinabi, xD
September 12 at 7:14am · Like.

thank you everyone,
dada lee

#85: UPDATE FROM SAGIP SAN CRISTOBAL FB WALL(PLS NOTE DATES) Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:22 am
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from Arthur dela Cerna's FB wall and others:
September 23[/b], bumisita ang mga taga national museum.. re: gawing national cultural treasure ang mga murals at retablos ng simbahan



From [b]Francis Eugene Fadul Adefuin
Pag-aralan muna maigi.
about an hour ago · Unlike · 1 person


from katherine cadayona cadapanPast 1pm na po ako nakarating ng Paete, sobra kasi ang traffic. Paki-feed na lang po kung anuman po ang napag-usapan sa meeting, Bro. Joven . . .
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You and Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe like this.
sa sunday po 1pm sa parish hall ng santiago apostol parish church paete, laguna ay may gaganaping pulong hinggil sa nasabing proyekto. tatalakayin po natin ang mga dapat nating gawin ang lahat po ay inaanyayahan. salamat po. magkitakita po tayo....

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Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe may patawag meeting po c mayor cadayona nxt friday Kasma ang director ng national museum I postponed po ntin ang meeting mmya at HINTayin ang meeting ke mayor. salamat po.
September 17 at 7:15pm via mobile · Like · 1 person.


Joel Aldor Yan pupunta na talaga ako jan. Smile
September 17 at 7:15pm · Like.

Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe MAGANDANG ARAW PO SA LAHAT. KUMUSTA NA PO. PASENSYA NA PO AT MEJO NAWALA SA SIRKULASYON. NAG EMAIL N PO SA AKIN ANG NATIONAL HISTORICAL COMMISSION AT MERON NA PONG RECOMENDATION GALING SA KANILA. SANA PO MAG SIMULA NA PO TAYO DAHIL DUMATING N PO ANG HINIHINTAY NATING LAHAT ANG SAGOT SA LAHAT NG MGA TANONG ANO ANG GAGAWIN AT MAG KANO ANG GUGULIN. MAG HIHINTAY PO KMI NG INYONG KOMENTO HINGGIL DITO. SALAMAT PO.
Unlike · · Follow Post · September 10 at 6:33pm near Makati, Philippines

Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe athe kathy paki txt nalano po ako kung kelan available ang mga makakameeitng natin. tnx po.
September 12 at 2:15am · Like.

Katherine Cadayona Cadapan ‎@Joven; kailangan na nga talaga nating mag-meeting asap, okay lang kaya this Sunday? Say 2pm? Pero okay lang naman sa akin kahit weekdays, makaka-punta naman ako ng Laguna anytime.
September 12 at 2:17am · Like · 1 person.

Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe cge po sunday. sana po mka atend yung mga tao na pede nating maka tulong. san po?
September 12 at 2:19am · Like.

Katherine Cadayona Cadapan I'll let you know ka'gad pag may naka-usap na ako sa kanila...
September 12 at 2:20am · Like.

Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe ok po tnx po...
September 12 at 2:20am · Like.

Arthur Dans Dela Cerna kuya suggest lang yung mismong letter ng NHCP palakihan natin tapos ilagay din natin sa tabi nung painting, para maging transparent sa mga taon, hindi naman nag ffb lalo na yung mga matatanda..
September 12 at 7:05am · Like.

Joel Aldor Not after the proposals and recommendations have been done after the meeting. Smile
September 12 at 7:07am · Like.

Arthur Dans Dela Cerna hindi naman po yun mismo ang gagawin dba? para lang po makita ng mga tao na may mga updates..
September 12 at 7:07am · Like.

Joel Aldor We haven't got the consensus of the people concerned yet. It's best to agree on something first before any dissemination of information is done.
September 12 at 7:09am · Like · 1 person.

Arthur Dans Dela Cerna ok wala na po ako sinabi, xD
September 12 at 7:14am · Like.

thank you everyone,
dada lee

#86: IMPORTANT UPDATE SAGIP SAN CRISTOBAL FROM JOEL ALDOR Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:18 am
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Joel Aldor
SA LAHAT NG NAKAKABASA,

Kung hindi nyo pa nalalaman, ang PHCHC po ay nabuwag na at wala nang katuturan sa proyekto ng San Cristobal, ayon kay Joven. Kamakailan lang ay napag-desisyunan ni Joven na ibigay ang buong karapatan sa proyekto ng restorasyon sa mayor.

Una sa lahat, gusto naming magpa-salamat kay Mayor Cadayona at nagpakita sya ng malasakit sa proyekto. Maaari ngang mas-mapapabilis ang proyekto kung ang munisipyo ang kikilos.

Ngunit ang ikinasasama ng loob namin ay ang di pagpapa-alam ni Joven sa grupo natin na ang PHCHC ay wala nang partisipasyon sa nasabing proyekto.

Sa naging usapan namin ni Joven, sinabi nyang ini-atang na nya LAHAT ang kapangyarihan sa mayor, at nasabing hindi na tayo kakailanganin dahil ang National Museum na ang gagawa ng nasabing restoration.

Alam nyo naman na may mga mabibigat akong pasubali (serious reservations) sa plano ng National Museum na tumulong, at nasabi ko na rin sa inyo yan dati, na bagaman sila'y isang ahensya ng gobyerno natin, marami silang naging proyekto sila dati na pumalpak at mas-lalong kinasira nito (e.g. ang mga stucco bas relieves ng Dupax del Sur Church sa Nueva Vizcaya, mga larawan sa loob ng San Agustin Museum, at iba pa).

Ang reputasyon nila sa larangan ng art conservation ay hindi maganda sa mga nagdaang taon, kaya ang mga ibang mga patuloy ngayong heritage conservation projects (e.g. San Sebastian Basilica, Albuquerque Church sa Bohol, etc.) ay ginagawa ng mga expert, independent conservation professionals at hindi humihingi ng tulong sa Nat'l Museum dahil iniiwasan nilang mas-lalong masira ito.

At sinasabi ko nga matagal na sa mga nakaraang pagpupulong natin, ay dapat gawin ang restoration na hinahawakan ng mga expert professionals.

Getting National Museum to do the work means courting disaster. We should do everything we can to have the restoration done properly, regardless of the cost. WE CAN'T AFFORD TO HAVE A BOTCHED RESTORATION FOR THE SAN CRISTOBAL.

Ang ikinagalit ko sa ginawa ni Joven ay ang di niya pag-sabi sa mga taong may kinalaman dito. Sa pagkaka-alam ko, at malamang sa pagkaka-alam nating LAHAT, ang PHCHC pa rin ang may liderato sa nasabing proyekto.

Inaamin natin, marami tayong mga pagkukulang rin bilang mga miyembro ng grupo dahil sa mga ibang gawain natin sa pangaraw-araw na buhay. Ngunit nandun pa rin ang nais nating maiayos itong lahat at maisagawa ang proyekto ng matagumpay.

Kelangan lang talaga ng panahon at pagsisikap. Kung ninanais ni Joven na mai-ayos ng magaling at madali ang San Cristobal, gayundin rin kami. LAHAT TAYO, GUSTONG MAAYOS ANG BWISIT NA LARAWANG YAN!

Sana lang nagkaroon sya ng desensya (decency) at delicadeza na ipag-paalam muna sa atin lahat na mawawalan na tayo ng lugar sa proyekto, bago nya hinabilin sa mayor. Naduduwag ka ba Joven na di mo maitayo ng maayos ang grupo na inatang sa yo? Bumibigay ka na ba?

Pasensya na kung naghihimutok ako ng ganito, subalit di nyo ako masisisi. Mahigit isa't kalahating taon ko ring pinagsikapang maitayo ang mga adhikaing ito sa bayang napamahal na sa akin...para lang sa ano? PARA MAETSE-PWERA na lang bigla? Kung ikaw inalisan bigla ng karapatan, NG WALANG PASABI, hindi ka ba magagalit?

You have a lot of explaining to do, Joven. Hindi lang sa akin, kundi SA LAHAT. Lahat ng tao dito sa PHCHC at Sagip San Cristobal ay naghihintay sa sagot mo.

Joel

CC: Nilo Valdecantos, Esmeraldo Dans, June Dalisay, Christian Aguilar
THANK YOU JOEL!

#87:  Author: tanong PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:53 am
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Quote:
LAHAT TAYO, GUSTONG MAAYOS ANG BWISIT NA LARAWANG YAN!


bakit naman po bwisit na larawan ang naisip na term dito

#88: from Joven SagipSC Facebook wall Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:13 am
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Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe

9:17am Sep 27

Hihintayin po natin ang ginagawang hakbang ng ating pamahalaang bayan at ng National Museum. mas higit po ang kaalaman nila at sapat ang kanilang kakayahan upang maitaguyod natin ang ating hangaring maisaayus ang Pintang San Kristobal. tayo po ay mag tutulungang mga taga paete na may tunay na malasakit at dalisay na hangarin sa mga pintang ito. maraming salamat po...

perDadaLee

#89: SAGIP SAN CRISTOBAL UPDATE NEWS Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:29 am
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SAGIP SAN CRISTOBAL UPDATE REPORT


Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe posted in Sagip San Cristobal.
Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe 6:33pm Oct 6
MAGANDANG UMAGA PO... KAHAPON PO AY DUMATING SA ATING SIMBAHAN ANG MGA TAGA GMA 7 PARA SA KANILANG PROGRAMA BRIGADA SIETE SA QTV CHANEL WITH MS. JESICA SOJO... IPAPAKITA NILA ANG ATING MGA HIGANTENG PAINTINGS AT KALAGAYAN NG MGA ITO BILANG HAKBANG PARIN NATIN SA ATING BALAKING DECLARATION OF NATIONAL CULTURAL TREASURE. MANOOD PO KAYO SA MONDAY 8PM SA Q TV CAHNEL MARAMING SALAMAT PO.

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#90: Re: IMPORTANT UPDATE SAGIP SAN CRISTOBAL FROM JOEL ALDOR Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:43 am
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leeq wrote:
Joel Aldor
SA LAHAT NG NAKAKABASA,

Kung hindi nyo pa nalalaman, ang PHCHC po ay nabuwag na at wala nang katuturan sa proyekto ng San Cristobal, ayon kay Joven. Kamakailan lang ay napag-desisyunan ni Joven na ibigay ang buong karapatan sa proyekto ng restorasyon sa mayor.

Una sa lahat, gusto naming magpa-salamat kay Mayor Cadayona at nagpakita sya ng malasakit sa proyekto. Maaari ngang mas-mapapabilis ang proyekto kung ang munisipyo ang kikilos.

Ngunit ang ikinasasama ng loob namin ay ang di pagpapa-alam ni Joven sa grupo natin na ang PHCHC ay wala nang partisipasyon sa nasabing proyekto.

Sa naging usapan namin ni Joven, sinabi nyang ini-atang na nya LAHAT ang kapangyarihan sa mayor, at nasabing hindi na tayo kakailanganin dahil ang National Museum na ang gagawa ng nasabing restoration.

Alam nyo naman na may mga mabibigat akong pasubali (serious reservations) sa plano ng National Museum na tumulong, at nasabi ko na rin sa inyo yan dati, na bagaman sila'y isang ahensya ng gobyerno natin, marami silang naging proyekto sila dati na pumalpak at mas-lalong kinasira nito (e.g. ang mga stucco bas relieves ng Dupax del Sur Church sa Nueva Vizcaya, mga larawan sa loob ng San Agustin Museum, at iba pa).

Ang reputasyon nila sa larangan ng art conservation ay hindi maganda sa mga nagdaang taon, kaya ang mga ibang mga patuloy ngayong heritage conservation projects (e.g. San Sebastian Basilica, Albuquerque Church sa Bohol, etc.) ay ginagawa ng mga expert, independent conservation professionals at hindi humihingi ng tulong sa Nat'l Museum dahil iniiwasan nilang mas-lalong masira ito.

At sinasabi ko nga matagal na sa mga nakaraang pagpupulong natin, ay dapat gawin ang restoration na hinahawakan ng mga expert professionals.

Getting National Museum to do the work means courting disaster. We should do everything we can to have the restoration done properly, regardless of the cost. WE CAN'T AFFORD TO HAVE A BOTCHED RESTORATION FOR THE SAN CRISTOBAL.

Ang ikinagalit ko sa ginawa ni Joven ay ang di niya pag-sabi sa mga taong may kinalaman dito. Sa pagkaka-alam ko, at malamang sa pagkaka-alam nating LAHAT, ang PHCHC pa rin ang may liderato sa nasabing proyekto.

Inaamin natin, marami tayong mga pagkukulang rin bilang mga miyembro ng grupo dahil sa mga ibang gawain natin sa pangaraw-araw na buhay. Ngunit nandun pa rin ang nais nating maiayos itong lahat at maisagawa ang proyekto ng matagumpay.

Kelangan lang talaga ng panahon at pagsisikap. Kung ninanais ni Joven na mai-ayos ng magaling at madali ang San Cristobal, gayundin rin kami. LAHAT TAYO, GUSTONG MAAYOS ANG BWISIT NA LARAWANG YAN!

Sana lang nagkaroon sya ng desensya (decency) at delicadeza na ipag-paalam muna sa atin lahat na mawawalan na tayo ng lugar sa proyekto, bago nya hinabilin sa mayor. Naduduwag ka ba Joven na di mo maitayo ng maayos ang grupo na inatang sa yo? Bumibigay ka na ba?

Pasensya na kung naghihimutok ako ng ganito, subalit di nyo ako masisisi. Mahigit isa't kalahating taon ko ring pinagsikapang maitayo ang mga adhikaing ito sa bayang napamahal na sa akin...para lang sa ano? PARA MAETSE-PWERA na lang bigla? Kung ikaw inalisan bigla ng karapatan, NG WALANG PASABI, hindi ka ba magagalit?

You have a lot of explaining to do, Joven. Hindi lang sa akin, kundi SA LAHAT. Lahat ng tao dito sa PHCHC at Sagip San Cristobal ay naghihintay sa sagot mo.

Joel

CC: Nilo Valdecantos, Esmeraldo Dans, June Dalisay, Christian Aguilar
THANK YOU JOEL!


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Marvin Pingol Tama po sabi nyo, Tidnan nyo nangyari sa Restoration ng Daraga church sa Albay, basta nalang tinapalan, we need more meetings sa group dapat.
September 27 at 9:09am · Like.

Onyx Sunga


Onyx Sunga Hindi pa po buwag ang PHCHC, sa katunayan po ay magsasagawa po ito ng seminar sa mga bagong miyembro...Gagawin na lang po ng PHCHC ang tunay nitong trabaho--ang pangalagaan ang kasaysayan at kultura ng simbahan sa pagiging isang curator.

Siguro po ay makakatulong pa rin ang PHCHC sa maliliit na paraan katulad ng information drive tungkol sa pinta..ngunit hindi po ito nabuwag.
September 28 at 12:16am · Like · 6 people.

Katherine Cadayona Cadapan


Katherine Cadayona Cadapan Thanks for your concern Joel, and i understand your sentiments... but please pasintabi naman kay San Cristobal. Hwag mo naman isulat na BWISIT . . .
September 28 at 12:56am · Like · 2 people.

Katherine Cadayona Cadapan We have to be responsible sa mga isinusulat natin at binibigyan ng comment, on behalf ng aming mga kababayan kami ay lubhang nalulungkot sa natanggap na kumento mula sa mga taong inaakala naming concern sa mahal naming mga larawan. Alam namin at naniniwala kami na ang lahat ng aming mga gustong proyekto ay matatapos ng maayos at maganda sa pamamagitan ng tulong ni God, because this is not an ordinary work of art . . . AMEN?
September 28 at 1:14am · Like · 5 people.

Arthur Dans Dela Cerna


Arthur Dans Dela Cerna AMEN
September 28 at 1:15am · Like · 1 person.

Onyx Sunga amen
September 28 at 2:39am · Like.

Bernard Cadawas


Bernard Cadawas sa totoo lng po.. hnd mawawala sa group ang tampuhn.. sa group ng PHCHC khit ngkakatampuhan ginagawa p rin nmin ang bawat gawain nmin bilang PHCHC.. sa lugar ni kua joven.. inaasikason p rin nia bilang pangulo ng PPC or parokya nmin at binabalik p rin nia ang tradisyon n dapat gawin d2 sa simbahan nmin.. kmi nmn mga member, inaayos nmin ang su2nod n members..para hnd masabi buwag n ang PHCHC, sa totoo lng po, ngpapasalamat p kmi ky kua joven ng dahil sa kanya buhay at marunong kmi kumilos bilang PHCHC, hnd buwag ang PHCHC.. sa katunayan nga po.. sa da2ting na OCTOBER 27 to 30 (hnd p sure ang date) ay magka2roon ng seminar ang PHCHC sa mga bagong members.. kya sa mga and2 sa page n i2.. makipag alm lng po kau sa amin ni onyx pra mainform kau about sa seminar

papasalamat kmi sa consern sa PHCHC...

Bong Bernard Cadawas
October 1 at 5:32am · Like.

#91: FB Replies to Joel's sentiments Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:50 am
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FB REPLIES TO JOEL'S SENTIMENTS (con't...)

Jorsie Pereja-Ramos Cadawas

October 1 at 5:32am · Like.

Jorsie Pereja-Ramos Cadawas
Maraming salamat sa concern at malasakit mo Mr. Aldor sa yaman ng simbahan ng Paete kahit alam namin na hindi ka tagarito. Iisa lang ang layunin nating lahat na maingatan at manatiling natatanging sining ang pintang ito ni San Cristobal. K...See More

October 3 at 3:14am · Like · 1 person.

Bernard Cadawas maraming salamat po tita jorsie sa tiwa binibigay po nyo sa aming samahan ng PHCHC. khit po karamihan bata p po kmi.. andyan nmn po cla mga tiga paete para tulungan si san crristobal.. maraming salamat po sa lahat ng tiga paete at sa lahat ng tumutulong sa sagip san cristobal.
October 3 at 7:32am · Like.

Mhar Balan

Mhar Balan ang pagmamalasakit dito ay hindi lang dapat marinig sa ating mga pananalita, ang mahalaga ay may kaakibat na pagkilos o gawa.. napakalaking proyekto nito upang ating maisalba, at sa aking palagay mahihirapan kung tayo kung hindi tayo tutulu...See More

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#92: continuation Replies to Joel's sentiments Author: leeqLocation: Lee Quesada PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:01 am
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Marvin Pingol:
Makeover for church in Daraga - INQUIRER.net, Philippine News for Filipinos
newsinfo.inquirer.net
Before restoration:




Eto po Restoration ng Natl. Museum parang tinapalan ng eskayola ang facade ng centuries old treasure ng Albay.
Makeover for church in Daraga - INQUIRER.net, Philippine News for Filipinos
newsinfo.inquirer.net
LIME coating containing chemical ingredients turns the façade of the Nuestra Señora de la Porteria (Our Lady of the Gate) in Daraga, Albay, into white, while restoring and protecting the structural image of the church. JOANNA P. LOS BAÑOS

Ioannes Ioventus SanctorafaeliCajipe ang mga simbahan po noon ay may roong palitadang apog na syang nag proprotekta sa bato ng simbahan sa tagal ng panahon ay ito po ay na pupudpod o d kya naman s ibang lugar ay tinktik upang ilabas ang natural daw na kulay ng bato. sa aking p...See More

September 27 at 9:27am · Like.

Arthur Dans Dela Cerna medyo hindi nga maganda, pero para po saken, mas gugustuhin ko na maging genyan kaysa mawala ng tuluyan
September 27 at 8:32pm · Like · 1 person.

Joel Aldor

Joel Aldor
The restoration work of Daraga Church was made by the National Museum and the local government, led by Archt. Ricardo Ibay and their parish priest Rev. Jose Lobrigo. The whole project started in 2005, prior to its inscription as a National ...

September 27 at 9:20pm · Like

tita lee

#93:  Author: joven cajipe PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:03 am
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Tumawag po ang Representative ng National Museum sa akin Mr. Ben Matias. Nag tatanung kung mayroong fund raising project sa Manila tungkol s restoration ng San Kristobal Mural. Kami po sa Parish Pastoral Council at s grupo ng Parochial Historical Cultural Heritage na syang official group na may kinalaman s pag sasalba s ating san Kristobal ay walang kinalaman dito. nais po naming ipabatid sa inyo na wala pa pong pormal o official na gawain tungkol sa kahit anong fund raising project tungkol sa nasabing mga murals.

hinihiling po namin na makipag uganayan po kayo sa amin kung nais ninyong maging bahagi sa official na tagapamahala sa proyektong ito. salamat po!



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